Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Blimey, Fred, you mustn't say things like that on this thread. You'll offend the Moggie & Nige Fan Club.

:o)

The adolescents can go off and play with themselves.

Dream on hils we're leaving and good riddance to Brussels :-)

Fred , you can have another Brexit referendum after I get another referendum on devolution.

Let's hear it for Moggmentum!

Come on, Hilary! Surely, you can tell a budding 'up and coming' Prime Minister when you see one?



(From today's Sunday Telegraph)

See an up and coming Prime Minister???

I can only see a reactionary dinosaur. The major political battles are always fought and won on the centre ground, and the Tories will NEVER win a general election with Moggie at the helm. The more you attempt to shift to the right and press for a hard Brexit, the higher the probability that Brexit won't even happen.

hils - who would you favour as next tory leader?

What makes you think that Maggie Dismay is going anywhere anytime soon, Cyners?

Rats in a bag.

hils - i did not even intimate that, but was just interested in view of a potential successor (from the present bunch of MPs)

I realised that, Cyners, but the successor will invariably be matched to the requirements of the party at the point in time that May either resigns or is forced out. Will the new leader need to deliver Brexit? Or fight a general election? From an incumbent position? Or from opposition? So, like all good politicians, I chose to answer your question with another question.

If you were to ask me, however, who I thought would make the best leader today to deliver a successful Brexit, which was respectful of all the divisions, it would probably be David Davis.

It wont matter who the tories put up as supreme leader. They are going to lose!

Corby has come up with an absolute blinder:



Jeremy Corbyn announces Labour will buy every homeless person in the country a house



By Kate McCann, Senior Political Correspondent
28 January 2018 • 11:06am




Labour will buy every homeless person in the UK a house if the party is elected, Jeremy Corbyn has announced.

The party leader said he would purchase 8,000 homes "immediately" and give them to people sleeping rough around the UK.

He also highlighted plans to allow councils to take over properties that have been left "deliberately" empty in order to house people who are on waiting lists around the country.

Rough sleeping in England has reached new highs, official figures out last week showed.



The rest of the lunacy is here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/28/jeremy-corbyn-announces-labour-will-buy-every-homeless-person/

of course he will, and there were a few other gems in there too

similarly mcdonnell will try to force auditors to ensure their clients pay MAXIMUM tax

what planet do these guys come from i wonder, though no doubt many among the great unwashed (+ fred) will think it's a spiffing idea - if they even know the word

Corbyn's free educayshun gambit targeted a demographic representing 5%, or maybe even 10%, of the electorate. It was a masterstroke.

His latest hare-brained scheme, however, targets 5,000, or maybe even 10,000, people who almost certainly aren't even on the electoral register (how do you send a ballot paper to someone of no fixed abode?). Equally, it will alienate him against a similar number of affected home owners who are on the register.

Perhaps, Mark and Manuel would prefer to have corpses and dying lying on the pavements outside their dwellings.

Or turn a blind eye to the "problem".

I wait to see the details.

It's pretty obvious that the relationship between the EU and UK is so complicated that outside the government and those who deal with this...noboby really understands what this is all about...I don't for one....is it that complicated...?...it might be a good thing if journalists would explain how and what and where all this works.....most people think we buy..sell and that's it....but there are so many problems with this....it needs explaining if that's possible to the general public....

fred - DYOR! .... both were fully reported in the papers ...... prehaps your attention span is now too short to cope; fear not, for i'm sure your family have already contacted dignitas, so a jolly hol in the alps may await you

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-banks/business-survey-says-brexit-biggest-threat-to-uk-financial-centre-idUKKBN1FI003

Business survey says Brexit biggest threat to UK financial centre
Huw Jones
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LONDON (Reuters) - Uncertainty over Britain’s future trading relations with the European Union after Brexit is the most serious threat to London as the world’s top financial centre, a business survey showed on Monday.

The City of London financial district is seen during early morning mist from Greenwich Park in London, Britain, January 22, 2017. REUTERS/Hannah McKay
The quarterly survey from business lobby CBI and consultants PwC said optimism in the financial services sector fell for the third consecutive quarter in the three months to December, marking two years of flat or falling sentiment, though transactions remained stable overall.

Firms want as much clarity as possible on what Britain wants in future trade relations, the survey found.

“To restore some confidence, financial services firms absolutely must – no ifs, no buts – get as much certainty as possible on what the UK is aiming for in the Brexit negotiations, the opportunities of success and the consequences of failure,” CBI Chief Economist Rain Newton-Smith said in a statement.

The EU is due on Monday to approve criteria for negotiating a transition period that would bridge Brexit in March 2019 and the start of new trading terms.

Andrew Kail, head of financial services at PwC said a transition period is likely, but the financial sector must get ready to operate outside the bloc

“The industry will need to take positive action if it is to preserve its trading status and business model,” Kail said.

Paris, Frankfurt Dublin and Luxembourg are vying to attract financial services from London that need continued access to EU customers after Brexit.

French Finance Minister Bruno Le Maire told Reuters on Friday that Paris could overtake London as Europe’s most important financial centre in a matter of years.

Financial company profits continued to improve in the final three months of last year, with a similar trend expected in the current quarter, the survey found. Headcount is expected to remain stable.

Separately the City of London Corporation, the municipal authority for the capital’s “Square Mile” financial district, said nearly one in every five workers there in 2016 came from a European country, the highest on record.

Eighteen percent of the City’s workforce came from the European Economic Area, up from 8 percent a decade earlier. UK workers accounted for 59 percent of staff, the rest came from outside Europe.

“This data crystalizes the importance of European workers to the UK’s biggest financial centre, and the need for a clear post-Brexit immigration policy,” City of London policy chief Catherine McGuinness said.

The CBI/PwC said that 54 percent of the 92 firms they surveyed said they want to make it easier to attract staff to Britain’s financial technology or fintech sector.

Reporting by Huw Jones; Editing by Elaine Hardcastle

Our Standards:The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.

Manuel,

Are you drawing attention to your own anxieties or family mores?

however you wish to interpret .... but i care not
typically, you refuse to address directly the issue raised

This con government is like a leaking bucket.

Isn't it time for them to depart?

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42867668

Leaked government Brexit paper suggests UK economic hit
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The UK economy will grow more slowly outside the European Union, no matter what deal is struck with Brussels, a leaked government document suggests.

BuzzFeed News reports the Whitehall analysis found growth over the next 15 years could be up to 8% lower than if the UK stayed in the EU.

The document is said to look at the likely impact of different scenarios.

Government sources say the UK will not be worse off, and its preferred bespoke trade deal option was not analysed.

Conservative Brexiteers said previous predictions had been wrong and that this one had been leaked by someone wanting the "softest possible" Brexit.

Labour called for the assessment to be published and debated in Parliament.

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According to Buzzfeed, the leaked document, titled EU Exit Analysis - Cross Whitehall Briefing and drawn up for the Department for Exiting the EU, suggests almost every part of the economy would suffer.

But Conservative MP and leave campaigner Iain Duncan Smith told the Today programme the paper should be taken "with a pinch of salt" as almost every single forecast on Brexit has been wrong.

"It's an incomplete report... deliberately leaked because it gives a bad view," he said.

The paper is likely to sharpen the debate in cabinet as the least bad option appears to be to remain close to the EU - the "Philip Hammond option", said the BBC's assistant political editor, Norman Smith.