Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

however you wish to interpret .... but i care not
typically, you refuse to address directly the issue raised

This con government is like a leaking bucket.

Isn't it time for them to depart?

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Leaked government Brexit paper suggests UK economic hit
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The UK economy will grow more slowly outside the European Union, no matter what deal is struck with Brussels, a leaked government document suggests.

BuzzFeed News reports the Whitehall analysis found growth over the next 15 years could be up to 8% lower than if the UK stayed in the EU.

The document is said to look at the likely impact of different scenarios.

Government sources say the UK will not be worse off, and its preferred bespoke trade deal option was not analysed.

Conservative Brexiteers said previous predictions had been wrong and that this one had been leaked by someone wanting the "softest possible" Brexit.

Labour called for the assessment to be published and debated in Parliament.

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According to Buzzfeed, the leaked document, titled EU Exit Analysis - Cross Whitehall Briefing and drawn up for the Department for Exiting the EU, suggests almost every part of the economy would suffer.

But Conservative MP and leave campaigner Iain Duncan Smith told the Today programme the paper should be taken "with a pinch of salt" as almost every single forecast on Brexit has been wrong.

"It's an incomplete report... deliberately leaked because it gives a bad view," he said.

The paper is likely to sharpen the debate in cabinet as the least bad option appears to be to remain close to the EU - the "Philip Hammond option", said the BBC's assistant political editor, Norman Smith.

Mrs May given the PM job just to stop Boris. The consideration of how she would be as a PM hardly came into it.

Wished Norman Smith.

Dear Laura Kuenssberg, the queen of manipulating reports to suit her ends - Corbyn, Trump, Juncker etc. Not political, just self-serving.

Boris had already dropped out of the PM contest before it started.

Laura Kuenssberg is easily the best political journalist which is why she was awarded that.

I'm wondering if Rees-Mogg ought to be given the Chancellor's job?

He's able enough and he's also 'loyal enough' too.

Any thoughts?

Well if we are going to be worse off whatever happens then let's just leave tomorrow and keep all our money.

Feck em , let's go for it now.

The leaving now option is very attractive. However, it would pretty much guarantee our loss of the financial clout if the City. The EU would become even more intransigent than now.

Dil,

And become as reliable a trading partner to others as we were to the EU.

Brilliant!

Just watch the Financial Services race to Europe.

fred- out of curiosity, how many (ex) homeless are you now putting up in your house? .... you must have at least one spare bedroom and no doubt a sofa and some floor space to accommodate sleeping bags et al

and no of course i have no interest in being such a good samaritan, though you always tell us we should be
....... so time for you to stand up and tell and show all that you do indeed practice what you preach

Guess who?

Manuel.

Perhaps it would better for you to reflect on your own ancestry than my current practices.

Fred , when will you get it that the EU operates the most protectionist policies of any world trading bloc.

It's the EU who are crapping on the rest of the world and are the worlds nasty neighbours.

i just knew that fred would not answer the question ...... nothing changes and of course he does not practice what he preaches

fwiw, jewish refugess at the turn of the 20th century, when necessary, were often looked after by their own community .... assuredly there was no comfort blanket nor safety net of the welfare system

Manuel,

Take your blinkers off and look back again.

You thought of another bloc who are more anti world trade yet Fred or do you want a bit more time to think about it.

And for those who think our financial sector will fall down a black hole if we leave with no deal then your living in cloud cuckoo land.

EU is crapping itself a damn sight more than we should be but are playing a blinder so far in negotiations.

I'm not adverse to doing a decent deal with them but I'm also not afraid of telling them to stuff it if they push their luck to far.

Dil,

I can see the similarities.

I'm not orange.

fred - surely you're not going to claim that uk welcomed jewish refugess with open arms in the late 30s?

i assume you accept that british naval ships blocked or even sank jewish refugee ships trying to reach israel in the late 40 and early 50s