Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Max,

As you are reading the Observer, have a look at Rawnsley's "Taking their knives to Mrs Mays Toga".

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/04/theresa-may-tories-leadership-contest


Or "Rethink how the state does business with the private sector."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/04/observer-view-outsourcing-public-services-capita

Max,

To quote from the article: "He wants an end to cheap imports of foreign goods, like the Chinese steel that did for the local plant."

Like I say, if Mister Shit For Brains had turned up for school, he may have looked at a map and seen that China isn't in Europe. But good luck with your new business partners nonetheless.

Hilary,

Perhaps you were luckier with your parents than he is/was.

Ps.

Where is China?

Fred

Thank you for the links, Ill have a look manana.


hilly, you're ignorance is breathtaking: I thought you had brains.

Max,

I'm not the one who thinks China is in Europe, or that Ford moved Transit production to Turkey because of the EU.

Did it not occur to you that their Southampton plant was a problem, they wanted out regardless, and the EIB gave them a solution? Maybe the city of Southampton should have done more to support the plant and protect jobs in the area? But hey, let's all blame the EU for our woes regardless, because Juncker allegedly likes a drink, and he's an easy target.

Strewth, next you'll get somebody on this thread claiming that Brexit will stop illegal immigration. Ooops, I forgot. Somebody already did!

Now that's ignorance for you!!!

PS. Maybe Northampton County Council should relocate to Turkey?

Hilary,

Don't give them ideas.

They may say running costs in Turkey will be less and the weather better.

Wheels within wheels hilly. And throw in gorgeous George, together with the EIB who are of course independent, nothing whatsoever to do with the €U.


https://rtuc.wordpress.com/2016/06/17/fords-80m-eu-loan-boosts-turkey-factory-and-southampton-closes/

Since the EU has no money, apart from that from a few donor countries, read the UK helped to move factory from the UK to Turkey.

Yes, I remember the story from the time. And presumably Ford were an unwilling counter-party to all this, as they would much rather have ignored the economics of the situation and kept their Southampton factory open out of their undying love for the Brits?

Continental have also moved UK jobs to Eatern Europe because of grants from the EU and these were not problem plants they were all making healthy profits.

So basically we've been subsidising other countries to nick our jobs.

For, especially Hilary - so as to hopefully to correct some of her attitudes concerning JRM

- and being a fascinating insight into one of today's most prominent Conservative backbenchers.

A small suggestion: Do read a few of the Comments/Reviews before you start to watch the clip.

Watching that YouTube video would mean losing an hour and 20 minutes of my life that I'd never get back. So thanks for the thoughts, Doc, but no thanks.

Dil,

I don't know about Continental Tires - I Googled what you said, but couldn't immediately find anything. Notwithstanding, I'd say that EIB lending is a two-way street.

WARNING.


You are advised it will be colder in the EU tonight than it is is in London.


B. Brexit!

WARNING.


You are advised it will be colder in the EU tonight than it is is in London.


B. Brexit!

hils , try Continenral Teves Ebbw Vale job losses.

Other one was a subsidiary up north possibly Wigan but can't for the life of me think of its name which didn't include Continental.

Economic benefits of outsourcing.

Don't like the product but Colman's Mustard leaving Norwich after 100 years.

Sad.

Oh, ok Dil - I wrongly assumed Continental Tires.

But... the story you refer to happened in 2006, and there was no suggestion that I could see that funding for the Slovakian plant was being provided by the EU.

It looked to me to be a straightforward commercial decision by the company, and I don't see how Brexit is going to stop that kind of thing happening again in the future. If anything, I'd say it's more likely to happen post-Brexit, and, of course, the UK will no longer benefit inwardly from EIB investment then.