Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

For, especially Hilary - so as to hopefully to correct some of her attitudes concerning JRM

- and being a fascinating insight into one of today's most prominent Conservative backbenchers.

A small suggestion: Do read a few of the Comments/Reviews before you start to watch the clip.

Watching that YouTube video would mean losing an hour and 20 minutes of my life that I'd never get back. So thanks for the thoughts, Doc, but no thanks.

Dil,

I don't know about Continental Tires - I Googled what you said, but couldn't immediately find anything. Notwithstanding, I'd say that EIB lending is a two-way street.

WARNING.


You are advised it will be colder in the EU tonight than it is is in London.


B. Brexit!

WARNING.


You are advised it will be colder in the EU tonight than it is is in London.


B. Brexit!

hils , try Continenral Teves Ebbw Vale job losses.

Other one was a subsidiary up north possibly Wigan but can't for the life of me think of its name which didn't include Continental.

Economic benefits of outsourcing.

Don't like the product but Colman's Mustard leaving Norwich after 100 years.

Sad.

Oh, ok Dil - I wrongly assumed Continental Tires.

But... the story you refer to happened in 2006, and there was no suggestion that I could see that funding for the Slovakian plant was being provided by the EU.

It looked to me to be a straightforward commercial decision by the company, and I don't see how Brexit is going to stop that kind of thing happening again in the future. If anything, I'd say it's more likely to happen post-Brexit, and, of course, the UK will no longer benefit inwardly from EIB investment then.

Hilary says JRM is 'a bit of a weirdo'.

Here are some of the Swiss Rules, that Hilary has to abide by (and she says JRM is weird!):

A man may not relieve himself while standing up after 10 PM. Also, you are not supposed to flush the toilet after 10 PM.

Discrimination based on gender, age, or nationality is legal.

Not using your turn signals is legal.

Smoking pot in public is tolerated. But don't sell your own stash - that's illegal. But one would suppose, that you can legally gift it out to your mates in an honourable return for say, something of similar value later.

Posted speed limits can change every few hundred metres. Take care when driving because speed traps can be sneakily disguised as blocks of cheese and Holstein cows!

Animals should not be kept 'singly' but should be kept at least in 'pairs'. eg. A guinea pig requires at least one companion and so does a mouse or a ferret.

All animals have the right to be represented in court by a court appointed attorney.

It is illegal to mow your lawn on Sundays.

No recycling of bottles to the bottle banks on Sundays either! Judith Schulte got on the wrong side of Zurich’s authorities when she dared to drop off her recycling on the wrong day. She was offered the choice between a fine and two nights in jail!

It is illegal to ski down a mountain while reciting poetry.

Clothes may not be hung to dry on Sunday.

It is illegal to wash your car on a Sunday unless you do it in a car wash. Do it on your own drive and they will have you for it.

Every house in Switzerland has to have, or have access to, a nuclear shelter.

All wills must be handwritten, no witnesses needed, just date time and place and signature.

Anyone who thinks yodelling is singing has to be weird. Prefer the Swiss gun laws to ours though.

I know hils I searched it myself and it's all the usual headline stuff but no details. Top and bottom is they were first of all stitched up by the Germans ( it was one of their plants that was supposed to close) and secondly the plant in Slovakia was partly financed with EU start up grants but had no orders unless they took them off another EU plant in either Germany , UK or Portugal.

UK plant was more profitable than either of the other two so was not for commercial reasons but internal politics in head offices in Frankfurt and Hanover.

is the above "can't on"applicable to every "canton"? ....... groan groan

Dil,

You're obviously far more knowledgeable about the Continental situation than I am, but, as I see it, they're a German corporation who were running a unit in South Wales. They got a better offer elsewhere and they took it. Surely that's their prerogative, whatever the reasoning?

I know it might suck, but shit happens, and how's the EU to blame exactly, and how's Brexit going to stop it happening again? Surely the local sheep shaggers could've applied for a grant of their own from the EU to regenerate the area, attract new industries, and preserve local employment, etc?

Hils where do the EU grants come from ?

France , Germany , UK are the main payers in so from us. If we're not in it they aren't gonna have the money to dish out that they had before.

We have been subsidising east European countries to take thousands upon thousands of jobs out of this country.

Now with the money we save from the EU we can afford to subsidise our own industries if we wish so a double whammy for the EU , no more of our money to subsidise them and more money to subsidise UK industries if we want to.

That's how in a case like this we will benefit from Brexit.

Why are we providing subsidies for Eastern European countries?

I wonder what the goals are?

Dil,

I understand that, and I've said many times previously that I believe the wheels started falling off the EU bus when they allowed the eastern Europeans to join, as it is predominantly those countries who take the EUs cash, and only export low-skillset cheap labour in return.

However, the UK's 16% stake in the EIB is worth about 11bn €, whereas the EIB has currently got around 36bn € invested in UK projects. So where are those post-Brexit savings that you refer to gonna come from exactly?

Hils , net savings from everything we pay in.

And another thing that really pisses me off is less than a mile from me is a road sign saying this road was funded by the EU blah blah blah.

No it fecking wasn't , we paid more in than we got back to build that bloody road and could have built more if we hadn't paid in to start with.

Fred , I'm not really interested in propping up dodgy east European countries at the expense of our country.

Hils , 16% of capital put in and only 8% of assets currently invested in UK . So if 36 billion is 8% our stake is now worth about 72 billion.

No wonder the EU are crapping themselves.

Source : Financial Times

Hils that 36 billion was what was invested over a number of years. Currently our stake is worth around 11 billion as you say but that means there is only 4 billion invested in the UK.

I must be bored I'm even watching Scumsea on TV.