Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Fred.

Did you vote in the 5th June 1975 referendum? And if so, did you get what you thought you were voting for??

Fred doesn't vote, just likes to sound off

Dil,

There is no reason for a second referendum, as you rightly say imo, except that Maggie May has given parliament a meaningful vote on the exit deal and, as she is running a minority government, she may well not get the vote through. Especially so now that Soros is throwing money at it.

Now I know that a deal not going through parliament hypothetically means that the UK leaves at the end of March 2019 anyway without any deal - that's been discussed here previously - but do you really think that's how it will all shape out? I don't. I think there could easily be another referendum, or another general election before next year.

There will not be another public referendum trust me.

I came across a different perspective to the hospital cricis today. I had to take my mother in law to A&E for an appointment to have a dressing changed after she fell down and cut her leg on Sunday which took us there.

The A&E was packed. There were whole families there including a Romanian family of 10 with 4 unruly children. The family were warned that the police would be called if their children continued to cause havoc.

Anyway, back to the point of the story. I spoke to the practice nurse about the numbers waiting. He said that they treat a lot of illegals. They don't register with a GP in case they are found to be illegal. The result is that they go to A&E for everything. It doesn't matter if it is a headache, a cold, a small cut or anything else. I wandered around the department while waiting and only heard English spoken twice.

Jimbo,

If Maggie gets a good deal from the EU (and I happen to think she will), then she'll get October's vote through Parliament and everything will be ticketyboo.

If she loses October's vote, however, she'll then face a vote of no confidence which she'll lose, there'll be a General Election because nobody else will be able to form a government, and Corbyn will sweep to power on the back of a manifesto pledge to hold a second referendum.

What would you call a good deal hilly?

She won't lose a vote of no confidence as DUP will always support the Conservatives in extremis. It is part of their DNA as it was the Conservative and Unionist Party.

The most likely event would be a leadership challenge then a new leader and business as usual until a later GE.

Corbyn will not get in (trust me) and if there was a second in out ref the leave vote would be by bigger margin than last time ,again trust me .

Hitlary , ha there's a good one suits you to a tee , why worry when it's all written for us in your ummm sermons , this happens then that happens , so dam sure of yourself yawn , again blah blah blah , that's you to a tee . Whoever came up with , " Wind your neck in " knew what he was talking about . I bet your just a cleaner scrubbing someones urinals . You are funny though i give you that .

Well, I'm hoping that there is a leadership challenge.

And the favourite to win it is Jacob Rees-Mogg at 5.3/1 and not too closely followed by Boris Johnson at 8.8/1 . Running third is Amber Rudd at 16/1 alongside Jeremy Hunt at 16.5/1 and with Michael Hunt Gove even further out at 18/1

(Prices from Betfair Exchange)

When the challenge happens, that's when people will start to take a much closer, analytical look and this is when JRM will win 'hands down' because he'll pass close analysis with flying colours.

Jacob Rees-Mog would do nicely ..

What a talented bunch for you to chose from.

All born leaders.

Sorry all born to lead.

Ps.

Why not pop them on leads and take them out for political walkies.

Probably be able to sell them as pups.

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Haze.

You are a clever and capable little lad.

Why didn't you change the dressing for your Ma-in-law?

Save the NHS a bob or two and needs boy scout skills.

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I hope the Romanians didn't have any infectious or communicable diseases.

A+E are dangerous places.

Max,

I'd call a good deal one which preserves the status quo and doesn't affect the city.

Haystack,

If Maggie loses the meaningful vote on the exit terms, it'll mean that some of her own MPs will have voted against her. It's my guess that those same MPs would abstain in a no confidence vote.

Vicky,

Did you learn how to spell at school, and was the school approved?

Maggie?

Has she been disinterred or resurrected?

Prefer the first!
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Why would you need to go to A&E to change a dressing? Isn't that a waste of front-line resources in itself? I thought they did that kind of thing in outpatients and clinics?

And surely Romanians have freedom of EU movement nowadays, so why would they be illegal?

Now if the NHS only treated people with NI cards, that would be a solution.... And you wouldn't need to leave the EU for that to happen. :o)

Every Picture Tells a Story, Fred.

Do you mean the ID cards should have been introduced?

Would have prevented a lot of false financial claims.

Mind quite a lot on this or similar threads were up in arms to prevent their introduction.

Tut Tut.

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But it is always the others who abuse the NHS and A+Es, not me.

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Hitlary are you any relation to Ian Paisley by any chance , just similar sort of characteristics really . Talking of school , I suspect you were a Headmistress at one stage giving out orders . Do as i say not as i do sort of thing , sit straight child , took it home with you too , and everywhere else .