Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

I came across a different perspective to the hospital cricis today. I had to take my mother in law to A&E for an appointment to have a dressing changed after she fell down and cut her leg on Sunday which took us there.

The A&E was packed. There were whole families there including a Romanian family of 10 with 4 unruly children. The family were warned that the police would be called if their children continued to cause havoc.

Anyway, back to the point of the story. I spoke to the practice nurse about the numbers waiting. He said that they treat a lot of illegals. They don't register with a GP in case they are found to be illegal. The result is that they go to A&E for everything. It doesn't matter if it is a headache, a cold, a small cut or anything else. I wandered around the department while waiting and only heard English spoken twice.

Jimbo,

If Maggie gets a good deal from the EU (and I happen to think she will), then she'll get October's vote through Parliament and everything will be ticketyboo.

If she loses October's vote, however, she'll then face a vote of no confidence which she'll lose, there'll be a General Election because nobody else will be able to form a government, and Corbyn will sweep to power on the back of a manifesto pledge to hold a second referendum.

What would you call a good deal hilly?

She won't lose a vote of no confidence as DUP will always support the Conservatives in extremis. It is part of their DNA as it was the Conservative and Unionist Party.

The most likely event would be a leadership challenge then a new leader and business as usual until a later GE.

Corbyn will not get in (trust me) and if there was a second in out ref the leave vote would be by bigger margin than last time ,again trust me .

Hitlary , ha there's a good one suits you to a tee , why worry when it's all written for us in your ummm sermons , this happens then that happens , so dam sure of yourself yawn , again blah blah blah , that's you to a tee . Whoever came up with , " Wind your neck in " knew what he was talking about . I bet your just a cleaner scrubbing someones urinals . You are funny though i give you that .

Well, I'm hoping that there is a leadership challenge.

And the favourite to win it is Jacob Rees-Mogg at 5.3/1 and not too closely followed by Boris Johnson at 8.8/1 . Running third is Amber Rudd at 16/1 alongside Jeremy Hunt at 16.5/1 and with Michael Hunt Gove even further out at 18/1

(Prices from Betfair Exchange)

When the challenge happens, that's when people will start to take a much closer, analytical look and this is when JRM will win 'hands down' because he'll pass close analysis with flying colours.

Jacob Rees-Mog would do nicely ..

What a talented bunch for you to chose from.

All born leaders.

Sorry all born to lead.

Ps.

Why not pop them on leads and take them out for political walkies.

Probably be able to sell them as pups.

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Haze.

You are a clever and capable little lad.

Why didn't you change the dressing for your Ma-in-law?

Save the NHS a bob or two and needs boy scout skills.

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I hope the Romanians didn't have any infectious or communicable diseases.

A+E are dangerous places.

Max,

I'd call a good deal one which preserves the status quo and doesn't affect the city.

Haystack,

If Maggie loses the meaningful vote on the exit terms, it'll mean that some of her own MPs will have voted against her. It's my guess that those same MPs would abstain in a no confidence vote.

Vicky,

Did you learn how to spell at school, and was the school approved?

Maggie?

Has she been disinterred or resurrected?

Prefer the first!
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Why would you need to go to A&E to change a dressing? Isn't that a waste of front-line resources in itself? I thought they did that kind of thing in outpatients and clinics?

And surely Romanians have freedom of EU movement nowadays, so why would they be illegal?

Now if the NHS only treated people with NI cards, that would be a solution.... And you wouldn't need to leave the EU for that to happen. :o)

Every Picture Tells a Story, Fred.

Do you mean the ID cards should have been introduced?

Would have prevented a lot of false financial claims.

Mind quite a lot on this or similar threads were up in arms to prevent their introduction.

Tut Tut.

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But it is always the others who abuse the NHS and A+Es, not me.

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Hitlary are you any relation to Ian Paisley by any chance , just similar sort of characteristics really . Talking of school , I suspect you were a Headmistress at one stage giving out orders . Do as i say not as i do sort of thing , sit straight child , took it home with you too , and everywhere else .

WOW what a pair Hitlary and Freda , one never votes the other can't vote but here they are pulling UK to pieces , misery personified , suit each other perfectly .

I can't speak for Fred, because it's every bit a person's democratic right not to vote as it is to vote, but expats get a vote in referenda for 15 years after leaving the UK, Vicky. My husband and I asked our children to vote for us by proxy.

We've also kept our flat in Kensington because it has been a good investment, so we could probably vote there if we wanted in other elections, although I'm not entirely sure whether we're on the electoral register as that's never been our principle residence.

The Guardian view on George Soros: the best of the 1%

Mon 12 Feb 2018 18.18 GMT


Many billionaires try to influence the politics of countries that aren’t their own. Most do so by stealth but George Soros is open – and usually right



George Soros is hardly the first billionaire to spend some of his money trying to influence the policies of countries where he does not live or have a vote: the papers that have led the charge against his funding of anti-Brexit organisations are all owned by such men even if none is as rich as he is. And his decision to spend money campaigning for the remain cause should be welcomed. The public gift of another £100,000 to Best for Britain, a campaign group fighting to stay in the EU, could not be a better gesture of defiance at his enemies after he had been accused of masterminding a private campaign for the same end.


Mr Soros has for years been the target of organised hate campaigns, often coloured with antisemitism, which seem to go far beyond the hostility aimed at other international power figures. Only Rupert Murdoch enjoys a similar reputation as a sinister manipulator of democratic governments, and he is the target of much less orchestrated loathing.

In the US, such men are astonishingly powerful: the examples of Sheldon Adelson or the Koch brothers show that rich men there invest large sums in influence over policy. They operate on the right, and Mr Soros is broadly on the left, although it’s an odd sidelight on the state of politics that a man who made his money in currency speculation should be regarded as a saviour of progressive causes.



More paid for drivel here: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/12/the-guardian-view-on-george-soros-the-best-of-the-1

Max.

You have at least one redeeming feature.

You seem to read and appreciate a decent newspaper.