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The really useful silver thread (AG)     

squirrel888 - 12 Jun 2013 10:30

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gazkaz - 12 Nov 2013 15:26 - 880 of 1034

Just in case ...anyone...has any "tiny" last vestiges of - the time, energy, high level and relentless efforts of TPTB...to demonetise Gold
- by manipulation/suppression
- and indeed "any means"...fair or foul.

Here's some former secret/classified stuff

1) - recently declassified top secret 1968 telegram to the Secretary of State from the American Embassy in Paris,

Quote
If we want to have a chance to remain........ the masters of gold
- an international agreement....... on the rules of the game
- as outlined above seems to be a matter of urgency.

We would fool ourselves
- in thinking that we have time enough to wait and see how..... the S.D.R.'s.... will develop.
- In fact, the challenge .......really seems to be to achieve ......by international agreement....... within a very short period of time
- what otherwise could only have been the outcome of a gradual development of many years.
(unquote)

(Comment)
The SDR was of course an "IMF Invention"
- as such
This then puts into question just what the true purpose of the IMF is.
- Because while its stated role of preserving the stability in developing, and increasingly more so, developed, countries is a noble one,
- what appears to have been ......the real motive .....behind the monetary fund's creation,
- was to promote and encourage the development of ....a substitute reserve currency, .....the SDR,
- and to ultimately use it as the de facto buffer and intermediary, for conversion of all the outstanding "barbarous relic" hard currency,...... namely gold,
- into the fiat........ of the future

2) - Below is a memo written in 1974 by Sidney Weintraub, Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for International Finance and Development, to Paul Volcker, when he was still just Under Secretary of the Treasury for Monetary Affairs and not yet head of the Federal Reserve.

The source of the memo was found in the National Archives, RG 56, Office of the Under Secretary of the Treasury, Files of Under Secretary Volcker, 1969–1974, Accession 56–79–15, Box 1, Gold—8/15/71–2/9/72.

http://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v31/d61#fn1

Quote
U.S. objectives...... for world monetary system
—a durable, stable system, with the SDR ..... as a strong reserve asset ....at its center
are incompatible with a continued important role for gold as a reserve asset....
- It is the U.S. concern that any substantial increase now in the price at which official gold transactions are made would strengthen the position of gold in the system, and cripple the SDR

(Comment the strong dollar/reserve currency - has in effect fulfilled the role.....intended for the SDR.....the above intended onslaught against gold....has nonetheless....taken place)

Quote....continued

To encourage and facilitate the eventual demonetization of gold, our position is
- to keep .......the present gold price,
- maintain the present Bretton Woods agreement ban....... against official gold purchases .......at above the official price

- and encourage .....the gradual disposition of monetary gold
- through sales in the private market.

An alternative route to demonetization
- could involve a substitution of SDRs for gold with the IMF,
- with the latter....... selling the gold ......gradually on the private market,
- and allocating the profits on such sales either to the original gold holders, or by other agreement....

Any redefinition of the role of gold
- must be based on the principle stated above:
- that SDR must become the center of the system

- and that there can be no question of introducing a new form of gold– paper and gold–metal bimetallism,
- in which the SDR and gold would be in competition.

(unquote)


........................................................................................................................

Option 3:
- Complete short-term demonetization of gold through an IMF substitution facility.

Countries could give up their gold holdings to the IMF in exchange for SDRs.
- The gold could then be sold gradually, over time, by the IMF to the private market. Profits from the gold sales could be distributed in part to the original holders of the gold, allowing them to realize at least part of the capital gains, while part of the profits could be utilized for other purposes, such as aid to LDCs.

Advantages:
This would achieve our goal of demonetization and relieve the problem of gold immobility
,
- since the SDRs received in exchange could be used for settlement with no fear of foregoing capital gains.

Disadvantages:
- This might be a more rapid..... demonetization
- than several countries would accept.
There would be no benefit from the viewpoint of financing oil imports with gold sales to Arabs (although it is not necessarily incompatible with such an arrangement).


.......................................................................................................................

And finally, was there the tiniest hint of a proposed alternative system
- to the PetroDollar.
Namely, PetroGold?


"There is a belief among certain Europeans
- that a higher price of gold for settlement purposes

- would facilitate financing of oil imports... Although mobilization of gold for intra-EC settlement would help in the financing of imbalances among EC countries,
- it would not, of itself, .....provide resources for the financing of the anticipated deficit with the oil producers.

For this purpose, it would be useful if the oil producers
- would invest some of their excess revenues .......in gold purchases
- from deficit EC countries at close to a market price.
- This would be an attractive proposalfor European countries, and for the U.S., in
- that ......it would not involve future interest burdens
- and would avoid immediate problems arising from increased Arab ownership of European and American industry.
- (The Arabs could both sell the gold and use the proceeds for direct investment, so that the industry ownership problem would not be completely solved.)
From the Arab point of view such an asset would have the advantages of being protected from exchange-rate changes and inflation, and subject to absolute national control.

........................................................................................................................

The Paul Volcker memo

http://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v31/d61

......................................................................................................................


Kinda removes "all doubt" really
- and the rest.....as they say

Is....(NOW) ....history










gazkaz - 12 Nov 2013 18:10 - 881 of 1034

Wonder why they are dotting more T's & I's
- no expectation of "intended use"
- when the Co-op bond-holder/Cyprus style bail-ins ....roll out

Regulators from the U.S., U.K., Germany and Switzerland ...have asked ISDA
- to include a short-term suspension ......of early-termination rights
- in its master agreement when it comes to....... bank resolutions.
Many derivatives market participants .....oppose the move.

http://www.dailylead.com/11/08/13/suspension-early-termination-rights-raises-concerns#.UoEFXeKmYrC

The regulators say the suspension, preferably no more than 48 hours,
- gives resolution officials........ time to switch derivatives contracts
- to a third party or bridging entity, when necessary.

gazkaz - 12 Nov 2013 18:15 - 882 of 1034

Quote from - Mr. Huszar, a senior fellow at Rutgers Business School, is a former Morgan Stanley managing director.
- In 2009-10, he managed the Federal Reserve's $1.25 trillion agency mortgage-backed security purchase program.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303763804579183680751473884

"I can only say:......
I'm sorry, America.
- As a former Federal Reserve official,
- I was responsible for executing the centerpiece program of the Fed's first plunge into the bond-buying experiment known as quantitative easing.... We were working feverishly....... to preserve
- the impression that....... the Fed knew what it was doing..

gazkaz - 12 Nov 2013 18:23 - 883 of 1034

These concerns are easily ignored since we also observed them at lower levels this year, both in February and in May. Still, the fact is that this syndrome of overvalued, overbought, overbullish, rising-yield conditions
- has emerged
- near the most significant market peaks
and preceded the most severe market declines – in history:


1. S&P 500 Index overvalued, with the Shiller P/E (S&P 500 divided by the 10-year average of inflation-adjusted earnings) greater than 18. The present multiple is actually 25.

2. S&P 500 Index overbought, with the index more than 7% above its 52-week smoothing, at least 50% above its 4-year low, and within 3% of its upper Bollinger bands (2 standard deviations above the 20-period moving average) at daily, weekly, and monthly resolutions. Presently, the S&P 500 is either at or slightly through each of those bands.

3. Investor sentiment overbullish (Investors Intelligence), with the 2-week average of advisory bulls greater than 52% and bearishness below 28%. The most recent weekly figures were 55.2% vs. 15.6%. The sentiment figures we use for 1929 are imputed using the extent and volatility of prior market movements, which explains a significant amount of variation in investor sentiment over time.

4. Yields rising, with the 10-year Treasury yield higher than 6 months earlier.

The blue bars in the chart below depict the complete set of instances since 1970 when these conditions have been observed.


Is it better to look foolish......Before......OR.....After

squirrel888 - 13 Nov 2013 05:38 - 884 of 1034

Some "street news" - friend of a friend had some gold jewellery valued in the UK & was given a price of £600 for the lot. She brought her jewellery to Qatar & went to the gold souq to get it valued?? Guess what they gave her £2000 for said jewellery. UK gold merchants ripping off our good citizens.

You get better prices for your "real money" here and they're happy to pay it as they understand value.

Shall check out the silver deals but right now the Indian community is buyiñg big time.

Keep it going Gaz.

gazkaz - 13 Nov 2013 14:18 - 885 of 1034

Squirrell - cheers
- seems like it's not just the Indians that are buying big time.

US Mint - advised it's primary dealers it is - knocking production of - silver eagles...on the head.....for a very, very early xmas.....9th Dec until into the early weeks of Jan 2014.

With today’s update of 500,000 Silver Eagles sold, bringing November’s totals to a 1,000,000,
- the US Mint has already by Nov - just set an "annual" all-time sales record for Silver Eagles,
- eclipsing the previous annual record of 39,868,500 oz set in 2011.

It appears that the powers that be do not wish to allow ....2013′s all time silver eagle sales record
- to get ......too far out of hand :o)

gazkaz - 13 Nov 2013 14:26 - 886 of 1034

China just accepted delivery of ...a new (a new...as in just one ...new) vault that will house
- up to 2,000 tons of gold.

The official Chinese gold holdings still quote the 2009 figure of just over 1,000 tons
- they have obviously been accumulating.....over the last 4 years since then..and
- stacking it "somewhere"

It would seem they are expecting.....to stack the smack
- to the tune of......some considerable amount more
- in the...near future

From memory the Chinese also recently bought....The Rockerfeller buildng that was The Morgues former HQ
- the basement of which has....a rather large bullion vault :o)

gazkaz - 13 Nov 2013 15:01 - 887 of 1034

Former US Treasury Official Dr. Paul Craig Roberts recent opinion....on the future potential events.

Hard asset investors need to stay the course and keep doing the right thing by accumulating physical gold and silver.
- They need to ask themselves,
- ‘How long .....can this charade continue?’

I will tell you the answer:
- It can only go on .....until the new kinds of international payment arrangements are put in place,
- the ones that the BRIC countries are making -- Brazil, India, China, Russia, South Africa, etc.

Those arrangements .......will no longer use the US dollar.
- So, the demand for dollars will fall.
- We now have this arrangement between Japan and China, and Australia and China.
( Those countries will cease to use the dollar to settle their trade imbalances).
- Again, this means..... the demand for dollars in the currency markets will fall.

But
- the Fed is .......locked into printing dollars
- in order to finance the federal government,
- and to support the debt-related derivatives on the balance sheets of the banks that are too-big-to-fail.

So, you’ve got the supply of dollars growing,.... and the demand for dollars falling.
- This means the price has to fall over time.
- And when the price of the dollar falls,
that’s when it all hits the fan.
- That is when the dollar’s exchange rate to other currencies falls.
- This is also when the Federal Reserve loses control and the markets crash.

I don’t know when that’s going to happen,
- but I do know that the rest of the world is tired of US financial bullying, of US financial imperialism.


We know that the dollar as a reserve currency is being abused by the Fed printing over $1 trillion each year.
- And we know t
- he rest of the world is making arrangements to avoid being dependent on the dollar to settle their trade imbalances.

In other words,
- the writing is on the wall for the dollar,
- and when that plunge in the dollar occurs,
- these artificial profits in the stock market will all disappear very rapidly.”

"They can’t manipulate gold and silver ......when the dollar drops..... in exchange value to other currencies....... because the rest of the world stops using it.

What that means is that when the dollar drops
- they will no longer be able....... to stop the rise in gold and silver
- by going in there to short those markets.
That will all come to an abrupt end at that point.

But they will continue to try to cap the price of gold and silver as long as the dollar is somewhat stable.
- However, they will lose that ability when all of these alternative international settlement and trade mechanisms are in place,
- and countries cease to use the dollar to settle their accounts.

What I am saying is that the day is coming when they can no longer continue this manipulation of gold and silver.
- In fact, it will be chaos.

The bond market will collapse because they will lose control of interest rates.
The banks will collapse.
The stock market will collapse.
And the inflation will be imported because of the lower value of the dollar in foreign exchange markets.
The combination of the falling dollar and rising domestic prices .......will literally cause a stampede out of the US dollar.

That’s what is set up to happen. .....I just don’t see how...... they can avoid it.”


gazkaz - 13 Nov 2013 15:09 - 888 of 1034

When it came to Banksters ....of the day
- Jesus ....didn't advocate his usual..... "Turn the other cheek"
- He drove them from the Temple.

Ken Livingstone touted ....."Hang a banker a day - until they got it right"
- Iran
- has taken heed
- and is set ....to hang a handful for fraud

Vietnam
- is about to pass judgement on a handful who committed fraud there too.
- There sentencing will either be....
- Life imprisonment.....or hanging

I'm not an advocate of capital punishment
- But nor am I an advocate of - too big to jail....
- just fine the company

And just get back to...business as usual.

gazkaz - 13 Nov 2013 15:42 - 889 of 1034

Confession of a Feddy...."Quantative Easer"

Mr. Huszar, a senior fellow at Rutgers Business School, is a former Morgan Stanley managing director.
- In 2009-10, he managed the Federal Reserve's $1.25 trillion agency mortgage-backed security purchase program.

Here is his confession in the Wall St Journal

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303763804579183680751473884#

(A few clips)

I can only say: I'm sorry, America.

As a former Federal Reserve official, I was responsible for executing
- the centerpiece program of the Fed's first plunge into the bond-buying experiment
- known as quantitative easing.

The central bank continues to spin QE as a tool for helping Main Street
But I've come to recognize the program for what it really is

: the greatest backdoor Wall Street bailout of all time.

My part of the story began
Having been at the Fed for seven years,
- until early 2008,
- I was working on Wall Street in spring 2009 when I got an unexpected phone call.
- Would I come back to work on...... the Fed's trading floor?
- The job:
- managing what was at the heart of QE's bond-buying spree
- a wild attempt
- to buy $1.25 trillion in mortgage bonds in 12 months.
Incredibly, the Fed was calling to ask if I wanted to quarterback the largest economic stimulus in U.S. history.

I had left the Fed out of frustration, having witnessed the institution deferring more and more to Wall Street.

Independence is at the heart of any central bank's credibility, and I had come to believe that the Fed's independence was eroding.

Senior Fed officials, though, were publicly acknowledging mistakes and several of those officials emphasized to me how committed they were to a major Wall Street revamp. I could also see that they desperately needed reinforcements. I took a leap of faith.

In its almost 100-year history, the Fed had never bought one mortgage bond.
- Now
- my program was buying so many each day through active, unscripted trading
- that we constantly risked driving bond prices too high and crashing global confidence in key financial markets.
We were working feverishly to preserve the impression that the Fed knew what it was doing.

It wasn't long before my old doubts resurfaced. Despite the Fed's rhetoric, my program wasn't helping to make credit any more accessible for the average American. The banks were only issuing fewer and fewer loans. More insidiously, whatever credit they were extending wasn't getting much cheaper. QE may have been driving down the wholesale cost for banks to make loans,
- but Wall Street was pocketing most of the extra cash.

From the trenches,
- several other Fed managers also began voicing the concern that QE wasn't working as planned.
- Our warnings fell on deaf ears.
- In the past, Fed leaders—even if they ultimately erred—would have worried obsessively about the costs versus the benefits of any major initiative.

Now the only obsession seemed to be
- with the newest survey of financial-market expectations or the latest in-person feedback from Wall Street's leading bankers and hedge-fund managers.
Sorry, U.S. taxpayer.

Trading for the first round of QE ended on March 31, 2010. The final results confirmed that,
- while there had been only trivial relief.... for Main Street,
- the U.S. central bank's bond purchases had been an absolute coup for Wall Street.
- The banks hadn't just benefited from the lower cost of making loans.
- They'd also enjoyed huge capital gains on the rising values of their securities holdings
- and fat commissions from brokering most of the Fed's QE transactions.
Wall Street had experienced its most profitable year ever in 2009, and 2010 was starting off in much the same way.

You'd think the Fed would have finally stopped to question the wisdom of QE. Think again.
- Only a few months later
- after a 14% drop in the U.S. stock market and renewed weakening in the banking sector
- The Fed announced ........a new round of bond buying: QE2.
Germany's finance minister, Wolfgang Schäuble, immediately called the decision "clueless."

That was when I realized
- the Fed had lost any remaining ability to think independently from Wall Street. Demoralized, I returned to the private sector.
........................................................................................................................
Cont.....
Where are we today?
- The Fed keeps buying roughly $85 billion in bonds a month, chronically delaying so much as a minor QE taper. Over five years, its bond purchases have come to more than $4 trillion. Amazingly, in a supposedly free-market nation,
- QE has become the largest financial-markets intervention by any government in world history.

And the impact?
Even by the Fed's sunniest calculations, aggressive QE over five years has generated only a few percentage points of U.S. growth.
- By contrast,
- experts outside the Fed, such as Mohammed El Erian at the Pimco investment firm, suggest that the Fed may have created and spent over $4 trillion for a total return of as little as 0.25% of GDP (i.e., a mere $40 billion bump in U.S. economic output).
Both of those estimates indicate that QE isn't really working.

Unless you're Wall Street.
- Having racked up hundreds of billions of dollars in opaque Fed subsidies,
- U.S. banks have seen their collective stock price triple since March 2009.
- The biggest ones have only become more of a cartel:
0.2% of them now control more than 70% of the U.S. bank assets.

Even when acknowledging QE's shortcomings,
- Chairman Bernanke argues that some action by the Fed ......is better than none
- (a position that his likely successor, Fed Vice Chairwoman Janet Yellen, also embraces).

The implication is that the Fed is dutifully compensating for .....the rest of Washington's dysfunction.
- But the Fed is at the center of that dysfunction.

Case in point:
- It has allowed QE to become Wall Street's new "too big to fail" policy.

........................................................................................................................

Do you know something
- as each day goes by.....
- the Ken livingstone, Iran, Vietnam approach
- gains a certain "Je ne sais quoi"


(Maybe - Kens...one a day...could even be setting the bar....a tadge low)

gazkaz - 14 Nov 2013 00:36 - 890 of 1034

Whistleblower - algorithm developer .and....trader
- reveals the truth about algo high frequency trading.


When his successful & profitable algo HFT model - suddenly ceased.....to have it's orders actioned
- he spent a year....analysing a million lines of his code...to find the problem

He found out over drinks.....it wasn't his code & it wasn't his programme.....that was the problem

The exchanges were..... working hand in glove with "the usual suspects"
- ensuring "their trades" front ran... both... the market
- and also...his trades - & ensuring his got.....shut out.

He has testified and reported - this little known & mutually unhealthy (but profitable) "cosy" relationship......between the Exchanges & "Usual Suspect" firms to...
- the SEC

- 2 Years on.....they are still....looking into it

gazkaz - 14 Nov 2013 23:36 - 891 of 1034



The Dow.....no comment required


gazkaz - 15 Nov 2013 00:25 - 892 of 1034

SHTF time looming ...on the nearing horizon...for many US borrowers......
- as they reach the 10yr anniversaries of their finance agreements

- The switch kicks in
- Interest only payments cease
- and CAPITAL and interest payments....begin

Many borrowers could see OVER $500....PER MONTH....increase in their repayments

.......................................................................................................................

From the LA Times:

Some mortgage and credit experts worry that .....billions of dollars of home equity credit lines
- that were extended..... a decade ago
(during the housing boom)
- could be heading for big trouble soon, creating a new wave of defaults for banks and homeowners.

That’s because these credit lines, which are....... second mortgages
- with floating rates and flexible withdrawal terms,
- carry mandatory “resets”
- requiring borrowers to begin paying both principal and interest on their balances after 10 years.
(During the initial 10-year draw period, .....only interest payments..... are required).

But the difference between the interest-only and reset payments on these credit lines can be substantial
$500 to $600 or more per month in some cases.

According to federal financial regulators,
- about $30 billion in home equity lines dating to 2004 are due for resets.... next year,
- $53 billion the following year
and
- a staggering $111 billion in 2018.

Amy Crews Cutts, chief economist for Equifax, one of the three national credit bureaus,
- calls this a looming “wave of disaster”
- because large numbers of borrowers will... be unable to handle the higher payments.
This will force banks to either foreclose, refinance the borrower or modify their loans

gazkaz - 15 Nov 2013 00:53 - 893 of 1034

Chris Powell gives "inside off the record"
- information re his conversations
- with TWO Asian ....Central Bankers
(credibility factor....he is secretary to GATA)

“I was struck by the fact that .......one of the central bankers did volunteer to me that
- most central bankers are aware of the fractional reserve nature of the Western gold banking system, and its vulnerabilities.”
(Comment......In laymans terms - running a Gold Ponzi Scheme)

"He clearly acknowledged
- their understanding that gold does not back all of the claims to gold
- that are floating around the world financial system,
- particularly when it comes to the West.
You would probably never get a central banker to acknowledge that publicly, but that is precisely what he said to me off the record.”

" I would bet my life,
- that despite all of the public acrimony between the United States and China,
- the Fed and the People’s Bank of China
are on the phone every day consulting about the gold market.

"They are doing a very delicate dance
- as China tries to hedge its disproportionate US dollar foreign exchange reserves with gold and other hard assets,
- without exploding both markets (gold and the dollar).
- I don’t think anything major happens in the gold market from day to day without China’s consent.
China could blow up the gold market any time it wanted. It could also blow up the US dollar market, the US interest rate market and bond markets any time it wanted".

"As an example, .....another central banker admitted to me..... off the record that,
- yes, the gold price is......... ‘of profound interest to central bankers.’ the The reality is.....
- that the gold market is.... micro-managed, despite all the incessant denials.”

........................................................................................................................

His thoughts ??

We have seen this movie once before.
- This is exactly what happened....... when the London Gold Pool was drained.

The pool collapsed ......and there were emergency US Air Force transport flights, according to the Federal Open Market Committee Meeting Minutes, flying gold over from the United States to the Bank of England in 1968.
- This was at a time when the Bank of England was advancing its own gold into the market on behalf of the United States,
- in an attempt to hold the gold price at $35 an ounce.

In March of 1968, the outflow of gold had reached hundreds of tons per week. At that point, the nations participating in the Long Gold Pool realized they had only a few weeks’ worth of gold left at that staggering rate of outflow.
- So, they closed the London Gold Pool.

The dollar price of gold literally failed at that point.
- The price of gold was $35 an ounce of gold one day,
- and the next day there was no price at all because there was no official market.

I suspect that
- either that will happen, and the gold that is available will run out,
- or more likely the central banks will see what’s coming
- and arrange an international currency revaluation.

At that point there will be chaos in the gold and currency markets,
- but in the end
- this will mean ....substantially higher gold .....after the official reset of the international gold price.”


gazkaz - 15 Nov 2013 01:10 - 894 of 1034

Top Canadian Scientist (David SUZUKI) states
- if there is another tsunami/ 7.2 plus earthquake at Fukishima

- he puts the odds at.....95%....within the next 3yrs

Its a "Bye Bye....Japan"
- and "evacuation of the West Coast of the USA"



gazkaz - 15 Nov 2013 08:09 - 895 of 1034

Robin Griffiths Cazenove Capital
(appointed stockbroker to Her Majesty The Queen)

“We are now into the strong season of the year. We did not see the normal drop during the seasonally weak period of the year in the Western markets because of QE. So, if you can’t fall when you are supposed to fall, you usually go up when you are supposed to go up.
- But it is a bubble
- The Schiller P/E....... is now 25.
- The historic earnings multiple ....is 19.
This is a pretty weird place to start a new bull market from. In any event, the market has been rising for 5 solid years.
- This is as long as the market normally rises .....without some sort of correction.

The bad news is that if you normally have...... your 4-year setback
- in the 3rd year of the decade,
- this is like winding a spring for the 4th, 5th and 6th years of any decade to be strong.
The next time you run the risk is in the 7th year, going into the 8th year.

If you look back at the last several decades,
- it’s either 1987, 1997, or 2008
- when you get the really nasty corrections or bear markets.
Having said that, my work says..... this is not the start of a new secular bull market.
- You don’t start bullish secular trends ......from 25 times earnings, .....after a 5-year continuous rise.

If you look at the S&P 500, .....divided by the purchasing power or PPI,
- you will see what it buys....... in real dollars.
- It gives the image that....... this really is a secular downtrend that started in the year 2000,
- and in ‘real money’ .....we are absolutely nowhere near making a new high.
For that matter, neither are any of the Western markets.

But...... only in devalued money..... are the US, German, and British stock markets on the cusp of going into new highs,
- and in bubbles...... that’s what happens.
But people should understand that..... the ingredients for a crash
- going into early 2014...... are already in place.

The secular trend for gold is still absolutely intact.
- The entire fall from $1,900 was similar to what we witnessed in the 1970s, and ...
- just a normal Fibonacci retracement in a bull market.
We will have to wait and see where....... the ultimate low is for gold,
- but the notion that the secular uptrend is dying is...... incorrect.

My bet
- is that $1,180 will probably hold,
- and next year .......not only will gold go through.... $1,900,
- but up to about..... $2,500.
- This will shock many market participants.
After that we go on........ in the next year to the..... $3,000 area.

........................................................................................................................

Miners ??

You also need to watch for....... when the directors of these companies start buying.
- They buy when they know something.
- Just to give you one example, the Chairman of Freeport McMoRan personally bought......... $37 million worth of shares the other day.
- Well,...... he knows something,..... doesn’t he?
- If he........ puts his money where his mouth is,
- I’ll put some of my money ......where his mouth is.
We might be..... a bit early, .....but I don’t think we are..... very early.”

gazkaz - 17 Nov 2013 16:56 - 896 of 1034

This chart shows the divergence in the price
- of US ...paper Gold
- -vs-....India - physical gold

Top yellow line - India Gold Price
Bottom grey line.....The UG paper gold price





And in case you missed it the bottom part....the red line gives the percentage ...divergence

The blue line ?? - in the bottom part - is the India ....import duty percentage
- as can be seen....

The divergence in US gold price - vs - India Gold price was......
- broadly....fully accounted for purely by....the India import duty

But since the summer - the premium in India has escalated away from the import duty impact by.........
- another 11.62% over and above the import duty.

gazkaz - 23 Nov 2013 14:29 - 897 of 1034

2 Doozy's
- the first seems to have been picked up on - not really seen comment on the second :o)

(Recall what happened when ....Saddam & Gaddafi .....gave the two figers - to payment in "dollars" for their oil ??)

1)
Nov 21 (Reuters) - The Shanghai Futures Exchange (SHFE) may price its crude oil futures contract.... in yuan
and use medium sour crude as its benchmark, its chairman said on Thursday, adding that the bourse is speeding up preparatory work to secure regulatory approvals.

China, which overtook the United States as the world's top oil importer in September, hopes the contract will become a benchmark in Asia and has said
- it would allow foreign investors to trade in the contract
- without setting up a local subsidiary.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/21/china-crudeoil-idUSL4N0J62M120131121

Comment
- So that's just ....the world's NO 1 - importer of oil (& thus mainstay prop of the.... petro-dollar ponzi-go-round.... giving the finger to the system)

2
People’s Bank of China said t
- The country .......does NOT BENEFIT.....any more .....from increases
- in its ......foreign-currency holdings, (comment....mainly...dollars)
adding to signs policy makers ......will rein in dollar purchases...... that limit the yuan’s appreciation.

“It’s no longer in China’s favor to accumulate foreign-exchange reserves,”
Yi Gang, a deputy governor at the central bank, said in a speech organized by China Economists 50 Forum at Tsinghua University yesterday.

The monetary authority will “basically” end normal intervention in the currency market and broaden the yuan’s daily trading range, Governor Zhou Xiaochuan wrote in an article in a guidebook explaining reforms outlined last week following a Communist Party meeting.
Neither Yi nor Zhou gave a timeframe for any changes.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-20/pboc-says-no-longer-in-china-s-favor-to-boost-record-reserves.html

Comment ....And that's one of the two monster dollar reserve holders (The other being Japan)
- giving the finger to collecting dollars....when they pass GO on the monopoly board

Begs the questions .......

- who is going to mop up all those ....fiat confetti US Dollars...being printed 24/7 & China leaves just washing into the market place.

What happens ....when China says...."It is no longer in the country's interest..... to continue accumulating US Debt/T-Bonds".

&...... what happens if China not only - stops.... accumulating the dollar & bonds....
- but then starts....disposing of them....into
- an already increasinly saturated dollar awash market ??

GAME CHANGERS

The pressure to drag - China &/or Russia....into conflict (via mutual defense pacts re Syria/Iran etc)
- is likely to......increase


gazkaz - 23 Nov 2013 14:54 - 898 of 1034

Expanding of the above....a little further (Well quite a lot further really)


AS OF NOV 18th

- a former head trader for a major financial institution
- issued a harbinger


- and stated
- that 23 countries,
- and 60% .....of the world's GDP,

- are ........right now

Setting up
- new swap lines..... which bypass the dollar, SWIFT, and the BIS, - and will usher in a new global currency system
-
which will kill the dollar

http://www.examiner.com/article/harbinger-23-countries-begin-setting-up-swap-lines-to-bypass-dollar

Tick...Tick....Tick





talltalk - 25 Nov 2013 16:10 - 899 of 1034

Thank you very much for posting all this .

We really do live in amazing times !

tt
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