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Referendum : to be in Europe or not to be ?, that is the question ! (REF)     

required field - 03 Feb 2016 10:00

Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

jimmy b - 19 Apr 2016 11:14 - 882 of 12628

Anyway Cameron should be ashamed of himself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ2n7oMcSi0

cynic - 19 Apr 2016 11:21 - 883 of 12628

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cynic - 19 Apr 2016 11:21 - 884 of 12628

fred is an amateur compared to your new buddy mentor (MRSI, menorca et al)

jimmy b - 19 Apr 2016 11:27 - 885 of 12628

mentor is just an arrogant prick however Fred is a sicko an extremist who wants to ruin our country .
Just remember Fred HATES Britain and everything we stand for ,if you are patriotic he HATES you ,he is as bad as some of the extremists we have let in .

will10 - 19 Apr 2016 11:35 - 886 of 12628

Cynic

I think you're in a position to say . If your Company trades in and out of the EU. How do you see us being on the outside effecting your business? Has being in the EU effected you trading in other parts of the world?. Will it help your business in or out?

Just asking.

cynic - 19 Apr 2016 11:46 - 887 of 12628

somewhat strangely, most of our biz is conducted further afield

we are also not operators (transporters) so though a lot of our kit goes in and out of rotterdam and antwerp ports, i think it is covered under slightly different rules - eg we have no probs in usa or south america
nearly all transport companies will have co-respondents of some kind in the receiving country, and that is what no doubt gets around many difficulties

also, our company has been registered for a number of years in NL and so again, any probs in that respect would be avoided



mentor - 19 Apr 2016 12:03 - 888 of 12628

Gove attacks Remain 'bogeymen' claims

Justice Secretary Michael Gove accuses the Remain campaign of treating voters like children to be "frightened into obedience", as he puts the EU exit case.

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Gove Is now speaking at BBC news 24, giving a good account for the - leave -
the only problem he is reading too much and very fast, so viewers can not assimilate the good points he is giving

grannyboy - 19 Apr 2016 12:04 - 889 of 12628

53% of exports now go to outside the EU....

Hope you pro eu remainers are watching Michael Gove on Sky news...

You might learn something resembling the TRUTH..

cynic - 19 Apr 2016 12:05 - 890 of 12628

speaking too fast is an elementary error, and for a "professional" that is inexcusable
reading too much will also come across poorly

will10 - 19 Apr 2016 12:10 - 891 of 12628

Cynic
Thanks for insight.

Presumably you operate in dollars or Euros and only cash out into £ when FX rates suit. Do you see any problems if UK has currency exchange swings.

I would put you down as a service industry and not a manufacturer, but maybe you don't show up as a UK Co. anyway. It sounds as if in or out will have little effect on your sales as you don't trade much in EU. Even if you do its ok because you are in the single market. Your suppliers have an arrangement of some sort to put stuff into the EU already. Nothing comes to UK so no UK taxes

Don't answer if you prefer. If you were a UK Co would you actually be operating in your field now.? Or is being in NL what makes it work?. Obviously you pay NL taxes on company profits and UK tax where necessary.

I suspect we lost your UK business to Europe and this will likely happen to more on our exit. If only because trade deals that already exist under EU will be lost to us.

Thanks. it helps when we are told about a real world company.

will10 - 19 Apr 2016 12:13 - 892 of 12628

Gove

Don't make me laugh what's he ever done for us.

Fred1new - 19 Apr 2016 12:14 - 893 of 12628

Manuel.

The answer to your question is that some of my postings are for the consumption of self-interested opinionated little individuals like yourself.

A question of getting one's retaliation in first!

Economies wax and wane.

Remember the subject "Auf Wiedersehen, Pet" was written around.

Boasting about the strength of the UK economy is at the moment in comparison to the EU in the future is questionable.

-=-==

It will be interesting to think about the "use" the USA makes of the Uk in relationship to the EU and whether they will dump that "relationship".

Mind Obama is probably another idiot in Jumbo B mind.


jimmy b - 19 Apr 2016 12:17 - 894 of 12628

Fred is a sicko an extremist who wants to ruin our country .
Just remember Fred HATES Britain and everything we stand for ,if you are patriotic he HATES you ,he is as bad as some of the extremists we have let in .

Stan - 19 Apr 2016 12:18 - 895 of 12628

So JB instead of simply answering the question you can only resort abuse.. but sadly that comes as no surprise to anyone these days on here.

The question remains unanswered after many attempts of giving you outers the chance to give an explanation.. I wonder why.

Once again:

"Can some of you outers answer this, If we want to sell into the EU from outside how do we not abide by their free movement of Labour rules?"

cynic - 19 Apr 2016 12:20 - 896 of 12628

we run multi currency accounts and little of our expenditure is in £
international shipping remains in $, but many of of european-based clients prefer € even though they will mostly be trading deep sea (internationally)

it was pure happenstance that we relocated h/o to NL, though partly because NL banks are much more commercially minded when it come to companies with "movable assets"!
imo, uk banks are a complete disgrace ....... they are singularly obstructive and unhelpful, yet pretend to the world that they support small and medium businesses ..... oh hahaha!

apart from north sea oilfield biz, we do little in uk, in part because it is so incredibly expensive to move stuff across the country and then across the channel

Chris Carson - 19 Apr 2016 12:22 - 897 of 12628

If you are not happy in England Freda, why don't you just Foxtrot Oscar back to Wales?
You could lend a hand in the Labour run hospitals that are thriving. Then you could call yourself a Little Welsh Twat!

cynic - 19 Apr 2016 12:23 - 898 of 12628

fred - you really are such a pompous and supercilious little twerp

Fred1new - 19 Apr 2016 12:23 - 899 of 12628

Stan,

Jumbo is just another self-opinionated abusive little man.

Reminds me of the football hooligans and the "up and at em brigade".

I would expect the EU would be glad to get rid of him.


Fred1new - 19 Apr 2016 12:29 - 900 of 12628

Mind.

Jumbo and Manuel like the con artists, Gove included, generally attack the messenger when they don't like the message.

Adolescent behaviour. Stunted upbringing. Poor education.

MaxK - 19 Apr 2016 12:31 - 901 of 12628

Gove came across well...no theatrics, just solid reasons for bailing out. Even the journos couldn't find much to nit-pick about.
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