overgrowth
- 06 Oct 2003 22:47
David10B
- 28 May 2007 21:20
- 885 of 2037
When COH tells us the nett each store then I can tell you.
Time for night night old chap, tomorrow is another day, or was that yesterday?
(scratching his head).
proteus
- 28 May 2007 21:32
- 886 of 2037
If you cannot give a figure how can you say it's overpriced ?
cynic
- 28 May 2007 21:42
- 887 of 2037
and how can one evaluate anything without knowing at least gross or better still, nett margins?
David10B
- 29 May 2007 09:03
- 888 of 2037
Well cynic it really is most gratifying to see another, obviously intelligent person, understanding that .
Thank you for your perception.
cynic
- 29 May 2007 09:21
- 889 of 2037
anyone other than someone blind for real or self-delusion is all that is required!
David10B
- 29 May 2007 09:24
- 890 of 2037
The important bit is at the bottom of the page!
This is the link to authenticate the article pasted below:-
http://gielda.wp.pl/POD,6,a,1,b,1,c,11,index.html?P%5Bnumer%5D=8883023&P%5Bobr%5D=ifx&ticaid=13d38
U.S. coffee chain Starbucks enters CEE market through Polish listed restaurateur AmRest 14:51 28.05.2007
poniedziałek
Polish listed restaurateur AmRest has sealed a joint venture agreement with U.S. coffee chain Starbucks, paving way to launch Starbucks stores in Poland, the Czech Republic and Hungary, the company said in a communique Friday.
The parties resolved to establish three separate Joint Venture Companies, one for each of the three countries in the Territory [Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary]," the communique reads. "AmRest Poland shall contribute 82% and Starbucks 18% of the capital to the JV (joint venture) Companies."
Starbucks has the right to increase its share in the joint venture companies up to 50% in fifth and ninth year of their operation, or in the third and fourth year if AmRest fails to open the agreed minimum number of stores.
This is RW's comment on the Starbucks news:-
"We have of course been aware of this for sometime and have planned accordingly. The only surprise why it has taken SB so long to come to CE and the size of the royalties Amrest is paying to SB at 6% - we had expected 5%.
That's a huge burden for any business to carry given the margins.
As usually the likely winners out of this will be Starbucks with the franchisee carrying all the risk. Amrest are developing a number of brands like KFC/Pizza Hut as well as their own brands all in several CE markets. A lot of plates to keeping spinning with conflicting demands for capital.
What is important to us is that this is not SB but an SB franchise. In CE we believe that is a critically important difference for many reasons. As we have said many times we do not believe franchising is the correct business model for coffeeheaven in CE today.
In essence nothing changes for coffeeheaven. Most likely SB's entry will expand CE market growth and as sector market leader in CE coffeeheaven will be the biggest beneficiary.
Sincerely
Richard Worthington
I mr Worthinton's comment lay the secret of COH making or breaking.
Mr Worthington refers to, and I quote :- That's a huge burden for any business to carry given the margins.
Form this it is easy to deduce that COH are keenly aware of profit margin and have not cracked to problem in order to move COH into a comfortable NETT profit zone.
Thye have failed to do this up to now depite have little or no serious competition in Western styles coffeee bars---Now the competition is begining to roar, will Mr Worthington be unable to cower in the corner?
I wonder, as to date COH has only proven its worth in fund raising from its shareholders.
I wonder further if EMPIK were already aware of this when they dumped their major holding, as perhaps they saw no future with COH.
TIME WILL UNDOUBTED BE THE BEST JUDGE.
cynic
- 29 May 2007 09:25
- 891 of 2037
as with SEO and BFC???
David10B
- 29 May 2007 09:29
- 892 of 2037
DONT FOLLOW YOU.
cynic
- 29 May 2007 09:34
- 893 of 2037
"time will tell" whether this company is worth any more than the 2 i mentioned - i.e. FA.
I am far from convinced that this niche market has room for tiddlers.
proteus
- 29 May 2007 10:11
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Come on 10B you haven't given any justifiable figures yet.Are you capable of simple analysis.I can help you on Gross margins if you want.All you do is look at the GM's for the preceeding years,look at the trend and say whether you thing they should increase or decrease. Then you apply that to the sales figure i.e. if its 60% or 70% you multiply the sales by .6 or .7.Still with me ? Then you divide the GM by the number of store equivalents.Sounds technical I know but you should be able to do it.Let me know if it's beyond you.
David10B
- 29 May 2007 10:31
- 895 of 2037
Technical??????
Elementary maths.
There is nothig tecnical about fund raising from shareholders my friend!
Try to give me each stores' NETT profit as a base and we can move on from there
Untill you can arrive at the point, you are Sir, I regret to say, a spanner in the works.
proteus
- 29 May 2007 10:56
- 896 of 2037
OK give me the gross margin per store and we can move forwards towards your goal.If it is elementary what is your figure for net margin / store and how did you get to it ?
David10B
- 29 May 2007 11:11
- 897 of 2037
Proteus that is the whole point, we simply dont have an individual store to store breakdown in order to asess these figures.
proteus
- 29 May 2007 11:24
- 898 of 2037
If you have the total net margin you can divide it by the number of stores.You're the one saying it's overvalued so unless you're making it up you must have some figures to base it on.So what's your total gross margin going forward.
David10B
- 29 May 2007 11:39
- 899 of 2037
What I would like please, and this should be available from COH, is a store to store breakdown of nett profit, I wont move untill I have that.
proteus
- 29 May 2007 11:44
- 900 of 2037
Why do you need that by store.Let me help again with the technical part that you find too taxing.Work out the total margin and then divide by the number of stores.See it's not that hard.
bmw325
- 29 May 2007 11:47
- 901 of 2037
proteus
He is advocating a "thinking day" over on MLR...LOLOLOLOLOL.
David10B
- 29 May 2007 11:57
- 902 of 2037
Nope its not, but cant you see what I am after?
bmw325
- 29 May 2007 12:08
- 903 of 2037
All you "am after" is wrecking this BB.
proteus
- 29 May 2007 12:14
- 904 of 2037
BMW,
I'm trying to help him,he said he didn't want to look foolish so I'm prepared to walk him through the figures.Everyone has to learn someday.