Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

National humiliation as post-Brexit passports set to be made by Franco-Dutch firm

Vicky and Jimbo will be frothing at the lips.

:o)

Not only Jimmy and Vic.

Yes. Not only Jimmy and Vic and Iturama.

It's bloody disgusting about the passport printing contract for the UK's new passports might be won by/given to a non-UK printer. And embarrassing too!

De La Rue said Thursday it missed out on the contract to print the UK's new post-Brexit blue passports but insisted that this would not have an impact on the performance of the current and next financial year.

The current 10-year contract with Her Majesty's Passport Office (HMPO) - due to expire in July 2019 - had a total value of roughly £400m.

'The company is disappointed with the outcome of the tender process and will now consider its options including an appeal,' De la Rue said.

Maybe time to chuck some passports in the Thames, I think. And let's get a properly/adequately licensed boat this time, too. All is not yet lost.

tells you something about DLR's pricing and/or productivity, for i think it was something like £50m cheaper to print in Europe, despite the comparative strength of €

why do you think the shipbuilding industry collapsed?
it wasn't just because it was strike-prone thanks to militant unions

Let's face it ladies, it hardly seems worth the hassle of leaving, does it?

:-)

Fortunately for me, my passport is getting ready for a renewal. I might just manage to get away paying for one new one.

Or will the blighters scam me for two.....?

Cynic? Where are you?

UK Should adopt the German method of quotation.

It the answer is Siemens. Then what is the question.

Works every time.

I have no problem with who makes our passports as long as they are blue and British .
Should get the Germans over here to do our roads as well ,bloody disgusting ,like a third world country now.

I think I'm right in saying that the price of passports is going up within the next few days. So be quick if it needs renewing!

I think also, that it's going to be cheaper to do it online than by post.

From MSE:

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/family/2018/01/passport-price-rises-announced---heres-how-to-beat-the-jump

The referendum on the UK’s membership of the European Union was held on 23 June 2016. Prior to this , the Government published a leaflet setting out its recommendation that the UK should remain a member of the EU; this leaflet was distributed to every household in the UK.

The cost of publishing and distributing the leaflet was £9.3 million.

Brexit campaigners expressed anger that public money was used to fund the 'Remain Leaflet' but the Government has said that it was entirely legitimate for it to make the case for staying in the EU and there was no legal reason why it could not do so.

Breaking:

Remain and Leave reach agreement - they aren't hypocrites, it's the other side.

EL - i'm in the office ... why?

Gawd , still bloody moaning.

Such bad losers.

Cynic

You say, "EL - i'm in the office ... why?"

I'm not exactly sure what you mean. eg. Do you ask if I know why you are in 'the office'? Hmmm? I think not. So what might you be implying? Hmmm?

Anyhow, please look at my post at 8889 as a response to Fred's cartoon at 8888.

I regard the cartoon to be a negative towards BJ and also a negative to what it said on the side of the bus. I'm not exactly sure why Fred posted it but let's examine just some of what it says:

In the cartoon, Boris Johnson is shown in front of the 'Vote Leave referendum bus' and saying to observers reading his speaking bubble, "Claims that VOTE LEAVE acted dishonestly are utterly ludicrous!"

I'm sick of hearing this 'vote leave acted dishonestly' accusation and it's hit a nerve for me. IMHO, Vote Leave did not act dishonestly with it's message on the side of the bus.

1. Boris has said on at least two occasions, to my knowledge, that the '£350m' we currently send to the EU, and are going to save when we finally exit the EU, might be an underestimation of how much we are going to save - and thus have available for something such as 'sending to the NHS instead of to the EU'. Others have said the same thing.

2. The bus message, in comparison to the government's 'Remain document', surely cannot be seen to be dishonest. In fact, how about vice -versa?

ie. The government's 'Remain message' cost £9.3m

The 'vote leave message' and possibly 'the entire vote leave campaign' cost nothing like that amount.

That's a bit of 'unfairness. Isn't it?

both sides lied or did not exactly tell ther truth

I thought that Vote Leave had admitted the £350m a week saving was a lie the day after the referendum. Like Cyners said though, the remain campaign was also littered with inaccuracies and negativity.

The only victims of the whole sad and sorry saga are the Great British public, who have been taken for fools by their elected representatives. Politicians of all sides are nothing more than self-centred scumbags imo.

"In 2016 the UK government paid £13.1 billion to the EU budget, and EU spending on the UK was forecast to be £4.5 billion. So the UK's 'net contribution' was estimated at about £8.6 billion."

For me, the cartoon was a representative of Boris's obvious honesty, integrity, humility, and obvious other abilities.


The problem I see at the moment is the self-advantaging of many political involved individuals at the expense of society as a whole.

In one way I think the vote at the referendum was more a rejection of the political leadership and disenchantment with their policies rather than a positive wish to move to a specific goal and they did not take into consideration the price they may have to pay.

Like many, I don't see the real benefits of the pathway which may be taken and think it wiser and cheaper to have negotiated for changes in the EU.

I have often held a minority opinion and been prepared to walk away, sometimes proved wrong and many times proved right, but I feel I would be a lemming if I did suggest that the bottle many are trying to offer me contains cyanide, not water.

Fred

For 40 odd years, people have found the €U not to their liking, and wanted change.

Finally someone made a mistake (call me dave) after so called negotiations with immovable objects (€U mafia) and called what they all thought was a done deal referendum.

They made a mistake, and they lost...game over!