This board has been a little to quiet for while.

Is it time that Bush and Blair who is a close friend and confidant of Bush were tried for War Crimes?

Do you think the use by the American Administrations of renditions are War Crimes and committed with full knowledge of American and British leaders ie. Blair and Bush and they are ultimately responsible?

Also in the aftermath of the illegal invasion of Iraq are should their action seen to be as the provocation for the rising toll of British, American and Iraqi deaths.

As a result of the military intervention in Iraq do you think you are safer in Britain to-day?

Do you think one should expect government leaders and ministers who have been responsible for massive foreseeable casualties should visit the hospitals to meet the casualties they have produced directly or indirectly by their actions?

Maestro- I think your views are almost as disturbing as the 'end timers'
;-)

Star, Belief or non-belief is not a sign of intelligence. Einstein believed in a "God or superior entity". Bertram Russel didn't. I think you will find as many intelligent people on one side of the fence as the other.

Personally, I prefer decision making on thinking and weighing up the balance of results and the probabilities of those results occurring before actions being taken. At least one is trying to foresee the outcome and the possible pain.

But beliefs are personal and I cease arguing about a "god" when my father pointed out to me that for him it gave an explanation and a meaning to life. We never argued about the existence or nor-existence of a god after that.

I wish he had taught me to spell though. Thank God for the spell checker!

tweenie..check out these guys...

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:59 pm Post subject: Alex Jones and supporters confront globalists..great stuff!

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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2006/130906confrontcfr.htm

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After events in the last few years I do wonder when, not if, one or more of the following will happen ...

- Tony Robinson found dead with a suicide note next to him.
- Tony Robinson died of a heart attack while on a dig.
- Documents were found by reporters digging through a road side rubbish bin / dump / blowing across the road / ... There are some interesting stories about Tony Robinson.
- Some family members or close friends of Tony Robinson are found wanting in some financial matters or perosnal conducts.
- Several countries deny him entry for future programs.

etc etc

Was there some point you were trying to make in that post ? or was it just ment to be a joke.

On the Iraq war theme this may be of Interest to anyone living near Oxford tonight.


> The Oxford Stop the War Coalition has organised a
> Public Meeting for
> this coming Tuesday, September 19th, at 7:30 PM in
> the Town Hall on
> St. Aldates. The theme of the meeting is The Arc of
> Extremism: Bush,
> Blair, Olmert.
>
> The speakers for this timely event are Craig Murray,
> the former UK
> ambassador to Uzbekistan who was sacked for exposing
> human rights
> violations, Debb Buchholtz (OSTWC), Caroline Raine
> (reporting back
> on her recent solidarity visit to Palestine), and a
> Lebanese person.
> Discussion will follow. Everyone is welcome.

might go along to that meeting...Craig Murray is a good speaker

Craig Murray,
> the former UK
> ambassador to Uzbekistan who was sacked for exposing
> human rights


Was also for shagging local girls and going native, or was that another ambassador.

I find it difficult to imagine what the opinion would be if the girls were at a distance.

I think he denied much of what he was purported to have done, other than decry the foreign offices pussy footing around the abusive dictatorship's human rights record. Mind they do have oil etc.

aldwick...telling lies again

Know Your Enemy
September 18th, 2006



Five years after we finally noticed that Muslim enemies were at war with us we still havent identified those enemies or developed a realistic strategy for victory. The depth of our confusion shows in the ridiculous debates that preoccupy our politicians and journalists.

Is it proper to call our enemies Islamic fascists? Does this term denigrate Islam with the unfair suggestion that the Muslim faith is responsible for terrorism? Strangely enough, nobody asks whether the term unfairly denigrates the memory of Il Duce. President Bushs speech writers used the term Islamic fascism just once recently. The resulting firestorm sent the administration scurrying for cover; the offending term has disappeared from the Presidents public vocabulary.

Did Pope Benedict give Muslims cause for offense by quoting the Byzantine Emperor Manuel II Palaeologus (born 1350, died 1425)? Manuel once scored debating points on a Persian scholar by demanding

[s]how me just what Mohammed brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.

The Pope quoted this language in the midst of an interesting lecture on the proper relationship of faith and reason. The Muslim world still is ramping up for another tantrum like the cartoon riots that broke out last February.

Manuel certainly knew what he was talking about. He spent some time as a hostage in the court of one Muslim neighbor and he spent a lifetime fighting back against expansionist Islam. Almost nobody pauses to consider that Manuel might have something to teach us. Instead our conversation centers on whether the Pope is to blame for riling Muslims up and what he (and we) can do to mollify them.



http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5866


;-)

aldwick...watch and learn muppet! 7/7 inside job...Netanyaha implicated

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-4943675105275097719&q=Ludicrous%20Diversion

maestro ,

Be careful what you say the Bogymen read these threads, you are being watched.

maestro editing his posts, the net is closing in;-)

In Iran, supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei used the comments to call for protests against the United States. He argued that while the pope may have been deceived into making his remarks, the words give the West an "excuse for suppressing Muslims" by depicting them as terrorists.

"Those who benefit from the pope's comments and drive their own arrogant policies should be targeted with attacks and protests," he said, referring to the United States.
These simple souls must have a death wish!

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does anyone know, if there is a pro war in iraq rally anywhere. Im sick of all these anti rallies and would love to show my support.

No, but If your keen on this war you could always contact these:

http://www.army.mod.uk/royalengineers/

They may be of some help.

marc..you need help...i suggest contact Rampton hospital

That is maestro talking about first hand experience........

The facts are simple- the war in iraq was just and we were right to go in.
The only thing thats wrong was the no exit plan. We have been bogged down trying to give people a democracy who have no idea what it means.
People can whinge and wine but doing nothing was not an option. I have never been a supporter if this government but its the only thing they have done that showed any bollocks. They lied about WMD's because they needed to justify the war when the fact that Saddam was killing hundreds daily was reason enough.
Its very easy to sit in your nice air conditioned office and judge when you getting your information from the net. Its easy to moan about civil rights when these rights are being abused and used to hinder the security services.

Stan the Royal Engineers are not fighting soldiers - I spent 14 years as a fighting soldier and get 90% of my information direct from Iraq from serving officers. What I hear is not watered down its pure fact.
May I sugest you take a quick trip and see for yourself/