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Oily re Markbhai

There is actually a 14p support level if you look back at Feb and April, albeit not enormously substantial. I thnk it would come into play if we got below 18p, 'cos 4p really does not make sense anymore.

However, more to the point, I do not think we are heading back to another bounce off the 18p support. I think more likely we will continue to struggle off that double-bottom, eventually up through the 22p resistance above which the share should run back up to 26p. If we don't breach the 22p resistance, we will trade sideways within the 18-22p range until some decisive news and thus, inevitably by virtue of proximity alone, be that much more at risk of breaking the 18p support.

Breach of 18p support would be a strong sell signal for many, including probably me. Breach of 22p support would confirm what most on this thread have faith in. Until either of these events, in the words of Bosley, boring (unless traylids and bio-plastic hold particular interest for you!). But don't forget, boring is usually good for investing .

sd

sd

driver, i take it you're not a chartist , then? i thought it was a good post from oily , the only thing really wrong is that the last significant trading range for seo was 4p-6p and not 2p-4p.

Bos
Not really a chartist the chart is only reflecting the movement in the sp, the sp moves on news, results or the lack of it. Flags triangles its all-coincidental, going through the 18p or 22p is not the chart but the sp, the chart comes after that move it does not predict it.

driver - charting is based upon empirical experience - you're quite right the SP creates the chart, but charts do sometimes demonstrate patterns that suggest historical behaviour will be repeated by the SP. Then there is the whole question of crowd behaviour which tends to enhance incipient behaviour patterns until they have gone too far, when they reverse. Charting, like all of science, is not true, merely a projection of predictably repeatable behaviour patterns.

Since there is nothing fundamental to say about SEO (all having been well said) I find it interesting to see whether chart analysis can tell us what might happen next short-mid term.

You will have the last laugh since 90% of traders, most of whom are slaves to the charts, I am told lose money!

sd

sd
I always have the last laugh even if I lose money, life is to short.

the last laugh is defined as you laughing whilst all around you are crying - then you find out why! llol (sic)

sd

Oilywag
Heres your chart you couldn't paste.

there's some nice paint drying over there............

Bos Hi,

No getting over emultional now :))))

Cheers,
PM

Driver

Couldn't agree more. Charts reflect, they don't predict. If Walmart sign tomorrow where are the charts?!

It's all bollocks.

More to the point. Anyone tell me what's going on today? Strange chart for a Monday!

driver I look upon chart theory as self-fulfilling prophecy. If history says that a third bounce off a support level will take it through the resistance level, history will repeat itself because (a) the buyers will come in when the support level is reached just because the support level is reached; (b) the sellers will not return when the resistance level is tested because they expect it to be breached. Thus its worth taking notice of. Having said that, the break through the resistance level will inevitably occur, in my view, when there is a significant business development. The chartist will say, 'I told you so' and will then look ahead to see what happens when the next resistance level at 28p is tested and some will take profits and try to short the share. We know better - that resistance level will be broken depending on the strength of the news!

Thanks to those who commented on my summary of the Evolution update. It has got it wrong, referring to Cargill as a customer for Starpol 2000. The helpful statistic is that the supply of 15000 tonnes of Starpol in the next year will be at indicated prices of $5 to $8 suggesting first year sales of $75m. Natureworks are clearly both a supplier and a competitor; you wonder whether they could become a customer. Accepting that the end-user products of Stanelco and Natureworks are essentially compementary, the latter's link with Wal-Mart must be a significant plus in SEO's negotiations with them.

Looking again at last week's RNS, the following statement is clearly important: "the material is also easily sealable with our Greenseal technology project, which continues to progress well, and which will enable us to offer a complete biodegradable, environmentally responsible packaging solution at a competitive cost.'

Eric

Eric, have you contacted the responsible Evolution analyst and informed him?

Niels. good suggestion. I have just sent an e-mail for the attention of Tim Freeborn, suggesting that he updates the update!

I must say that I like the network approach that Stanelco are adopting; most of us like our backs being scratched (except for dogs like sd who like their tummies scratched!).

Eric

I'm sure Freeborn will agree he was wrong. He may also be partially right if rumours about an initial Starpol 2000 order from NW to SEO are true. Looks as if SEO buys raw material from NW, works it into Starpol and sells it back (eventually to end up in WM).

Niels: that seems to make sense in that Starpol would be good for NM's product range which includes trays etc. The key end-user market for SEO must be in the Greenseal turnkey context. Could be really sizeable business (Cargill are massive)and help to draw Wal-Mart into the act. One doubts that NW would be interested in fostering competition unless they are a beneficiary. It also makes more sense of the emphasis that SEO have given to the contract; you would hardly make much of a supply contract normally, would you? keep us posted about 'rumour development'!

Eric

Eric

Everyone keeps going on about Wal Mart but the fact remains that only 3 machines have been converted via Asda, hardly a resounding success!

What happened to Reiser(over a year ago), or Grampian? Seems they trialed rf but didn't need it, perhaps it's because the patents may belong to Bioprogress that is holding up more signatures on contracts,

I hesitate to respond to shamona's post because it is so transparent that he is a BPRG afficionado (like ii) - the points have been made before and effectively answered. The direction of the product launch was changed to go directly via the supermarkets. The ASDA trials have been successful: anyone experienced in business knows that the build-up of volume takes time; we have the commitment from ASDA to an annual volume and it is in their interests to make it happen through pricing action with their suppliers. The BPRG licencing issue did not relate to Greenseal. Enough said. Move on, shamona!

Eric

Does not Grampian supply Asda, and does the exclusive deal not mean that Grampian can only use the technology for stuff they supply to Asda? Read this

ewrobson

Judge Flyod stated in the SEO, BPRG court case summing up that a capsule could be classed as any type of small container, would Stanelco ever have thought of sealing a tray film if Bioprogress had not introduced them to this type of material?

Remember Bioprogress have already won the court case, all that is being appealed is a point of law. If as expected Stanelco lose all patents for the rf sealing of capsules I do indeed thinkgreenseal will be among the victims, add in damages and one begins to wonder why this company is valued at near on 200 million pounds.

NJ That Hardman report has missed one of the best low hanging fruits for SEO; the Mondini deal, whereby they manufacture a new RF tray lidding machine to tackle an annual market of some 6000-7000 machines has to be the one bit of the RF part of the business which will probably bring in revenues to more than match what 200-300 Asda suppliers will bring, and all for far less effort on the part of SEO's team. Does anyone know when that Mondini RF machine will be ready? It cannot have been too difficult to modify an existing product range and the deal was struck a few months ago.