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I'm sure Freeborn will agree he was wrong. He may also be partially right if rumours about an initial Starpol 2000 order from NW to SEO are true. Looks as if SEO buys raw material from NW, works it into Starpol and sells it back (eventually to end up in WM).

Niels: that seems to make sense in that Starpol would be good for NM's product range which includes trays etc. The key end-user market for SEO must be in the Greenseal turnkey context. Could be really sizeable business (Cargill are massive)and help to draw Wal-Mart into the act. One doubts that NW would be interested in fostering competition unless they are a beneficiary. It also makes more sense of the emphasis that SEO have given to the contract; you would hardly make much of a supply contract normally, would you? keep us posted about 'rumour development'!

Eric

Eric

Everyone keeps going on about Wal Mart but the fact remains that only 3 machines have been converted via Asda, hardly a resounding success!

What happened to Reiser(over a year ago), or Grampian? Seems they trialed rf but didn't need it, perhaps it's because the patents may belong to Bioprogress that is holding up more signatures on contracts,

I hesitate to respond to shamona's post because it is so transparent that he is a BPRG afficionado (like ii) - the points have been made before and effectively answered. The direction of the product launch was changed to go directly via the supermarkets. The ASDA trials have been successful: anyone experienced in business knows that the build-up of volume takes time; we have the commitment from ASDA to an annual volume and it is in their interests to make it happen through pricing action with their suppliers. The BPRG licencing issue did not relate to Greenseal. Enough said. Move on, shamona!

Eric

Does not Grampian supply Asda, and does the exclusive deal not mean that Grampian can only use the technology for stuff they supply to Asda? Read this

ewrobson

Judge Flyod stated in the SEO, BPRG court case summing up that a capsule could be classed as any type of small container, would Stanelco ever have thought of sealing a tray film if Bioprogress had not introduced them to this type of material?

Remember Bioprogress have already won the court case, all that is being appealed is a point of law. If as expected Stanelco lose all patents for the rf sealing of capsules I do indeed thinkgreenseal will be among the victims, add in damages and one begins to wonder why this company is valued at near on 200 million pounds.

NJ That Hardman report has missed one of the best low hanging fruits for SEO; the Mondini deal, whereby they manufacture a new RF tray lidding machine to tackle an annual market of some 6000-7000 machines has to be the one bit of the RF part of the business which will probably bring in revenues to more than match what 200-300 Asda suppliers will bring, and all for far less effort on the part of SEO's team. Does anyone know when that Mondini RF machine will be ready? It cannot have been too difficult to modify an existing product range and the deal was struck a few months ago.

eric, before you respond, don't waste your time. it's drivel and we all know it's drivel. the phrase "clutching at straws" springs to mind!!!

Looks like SEO are on borrowed time to me , or should I say "Borrwed Patents" from BPRG.
I suppose worst case scenario is that when damages are awarded to BPRG , it will go tits up .
Justice for the victims of theft .

Agree, bos. Ignore him with the ignorance he demonstrates!

oh dear. is advfn down or are schools not back 'til tomorrow?

bosly & ew

Bury your head in the sand if you wish but even you two must admit that come January their is a very good chance this company may be forced into bankruptcy.

Big difference between raising cash for acquisitions and raising for damages, who in their right mind would lend a loss making company 20 million pounds to bail it out?

Got it in one!!

Its a funny old world....takes all sorts really!!

Yep!....Gotta agree with that .

You can`t raise money for damages , and we know damages WILL be awarded .

..........So , where`s the cash comming from ?

Good to identify the pro's who've just arrived.....straight into the filter bin!

Nice touch MAM, squelched rubbish disappears without a trace.

GREAT!!

Does this guy still post here :

paulmasterson1 ?

Niggsy

Someone told me he was recently certified as mentally unfit, in a care home somewhere i'd presume.

Shamona et al

You are all going to be very disappointed BPRG'ers come January when the breach of confidence ruling is overturned on prior art grounds. Don't forget, the Judge Floyd ruling that barred the prior art from being admitted to the case is being appealed, and if Stanelco win, as I expect them to do, no damages will be payable.

Even without a reversal in the breach of confidence ruling, damages will be minimal. Such awards are based on direct losses, not losses based on 'what might have been, if...'.

It never ceases to amaze me how loyal you BPRG'rs are to a lost cause. Just take Wyeth not renewing thier interest in Swallo. Swallo needs RF to speed up production and reduce costs ,and without Patent Families 2 and 3, which Stanelco retain ( and will continue to retain after the appeal ), Patent Family 1 will be of little use to BPRG. If you lot think BPRG will be able develop an alternative process to those contained in Patent Families 2 and 3 in anything less than several years and at the cost of several million pounds - and that's if they can find a partner with the necessary expertise - then you are all living in cloud cuckoo land.

Anyway, carry on grasping at straws if it makes you all feel more secure in your BPRG investments, but if you have any sense, you'll re-evalute your strategy before its too late.

Take heed my insecure little friends!!