Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Also Fred , why do you think the EU countries that are expelling Russians are doing so as individual countries and not as the EU ?

It's because for the EU to pass anything it would have had to have a unanimous decision and would have been too much hassle trying.

Everyone's seen that graphic, Max. It's old hat now, but it doesn't paint the full picture.

The fact is that the UK will probably always run a trade deficit. So, if you don't import your Mercs and Beemers from Germany, where will you buy your wheels post-Brexit? Will you all be driving crappy Chryslers from the US? Or Tuk Tuks from India?

And on a tit for tat basis, exports from the EU to the UK represent a mere 3% or 4% of the EU's economy which, will be a loss, but not a fantastic loss. Meanwhile, back in the Bat Cave, UK exports to the EU represent 13% of the UK's economy which is kinda humongous.

So, when I say Call Me sold your country short with his negative remain campaign, what I'm really saying is that he should probably be hung for treason. But hey, wdik?

cheaper food , cheaper clothes sod the Merc buy a Nissan and an extra 8.5 billion to pump back into the UK economy instead of the EU free loaders.

Where's the bad news Hils ?

I'm happy for you to hang Cammy if I can hang Osbourne. What a snivelling little weasel he is.

We might get to see some of these crawling along on the M25 soon, Hils.....

Top Gear's Rory Reid travelled to the US to review Chevrolet’s new Camaro ZL1 1Le on last night's show.This muscle car is banned in Europe because the carbon fibre winglets on its front bumper could be dangerous if it ever clattered a pedestrian's ankles.

I suppose they could easily be filed off?

Slightly evil looking thing, isn't it? Is that blood on the front wheels?

Dilbert,

How will you be able to buy cheaper foie gras, moelleux, and AOC Burgundy (not to mention your new Max Mara coat and Louboutin wellies) with your weaker pound outside of the customs union?

Doc,

What's the UK national speed limit, and what's the maximum speed limit of all the US states? So how will you be able to properly and legally test Penelope Pitstop's new blood-stained wheels unless you put it on a German Autobahn? Shame you might need a visa to do that post-Brexit.

But hey ho. I'm sure Dil will give you a lane share in his new Nissan Micra.

:o)

hilly.

We will be able to buy all of the above, at better prices, cos the germans will have some real competition, as will the rest of the pack.


You are beginning to sound desperate :-)

The pound v euro is roughly the same now as its average level since the euro was introduced Hils as you well know.

Be able to buy shed loads of that crap you mentioned for a quid when Italy goes bust :-)

I don't think that's correct, Dil, as sterling's all time high aginst the euro was around 1.76 in May 2000, and its all time low was around 1.02 in December 2008. It's difficult to put any kind of average on something that's relatively short lived, but sterling at 1.14 is far closer to its low than its high.

All markets are cyclical, and I'm sure that sterling will recover at some stage, but, without Brexit, I'd say it would almost certainly be at around 1.50 now. Similary, around 1.60 against the greenback.

It's probably just as well you don't have a passport, 'cos your annual week in Benidorm is quite pricey atm.

:o)

You are feisty at a time when most people here are still bleary eyed and taking coffee, Hilary. Now run along and vacuum the pool and give us a chance to prepare ourselves.
As it happens, a week in Aberystwyth is much nicer than a week in Benidorm. I am told.
My German Shepherds asked me to change that to "reliably informed".

Hils , never been to Benidorm what's it like ? :-)

Went to Torromolinos once and it's like a bigger version of Barry Island but hotter and the sand on the beach is crapper.

Main reason sterling was so high v euro prior to Brexit vote was the Greek crisis and that has gone away for time being so think sterling would have fallen back to 1.30 level anyway.

Independence Day -1 and 1 year today !

Iturama , I seriously wouldn't recommend Aberystwyth .... Barry Island on the other hand :-)

Cars - S Korea, Japan

Wine - Africa, Americas, Australasia

And so on.

Germany; has one of the worst population age problems - the selfish cry to come to Germany without care for how they would get there or for the countries through which they would travel. The UK is a good chunk of Germany's trade surplus.

Mercedes Benz cars used to be extremely well made. Not so now though!

eg. Glass is thinner. There is also a policy to make parts out of plastic instead of metal where possible too. These measures cut down on the vehicle weight and thus attempt to give the edge on performance.

If you don't believe me, as an example, just look to the front of the seat and clock how the Seat Floor Rails are secured to the vehicle floor: Terrible! Mine actually broke and my E350's seat came loose!

Dil,

Barry Island? Is he the Friday night drag act at your local Wheeltappers and Sheepshaggers Social Club?

:o)

I see it's all been kicking off here today , leave you remoaners alone for a day and your all whining .

hilary.......
So, if you don't import your Mercs and Beemers from Germany, where will you buy your wheels post-Brexit? Will you all be driving crappy Chryslers from the US? Or Tuk Tuks from India?.................

Hilary , your car argument certainly does not stack up . i have driven German cars for years (love them) however there are now so many good quality makes out there ,cars that were rubbish brands years ago.

Jimbo,

Brexit is not going to alter demand for flash German cars, or any of the other quality produce that comes from inside the EU. You and Dil might be happy to drive Asian cars and drink wine from the southern hemisphere, but there are an equal number of people who aren't, and they'll still want access to the EU's finest produce. So, Maggie Dismay will doubtless agree an 11th hour trade deal with the EU, that will probably include freedom of movement, and you'll end up in a post-Brexit Britain that doesn't look a lot different to the pre-Brexit Britain that you're so unhappy with.

Is that what you voted for?

Everything is going to be fine except you remoaners will probably never accept you were wrong .

Don't you come peddling your euro trash here, madam. You'll be promoting german coal plants next. If things pan out the way you predict, we Brexiteers will be revolting. Maybe we'll go as far as to be downright disgusting.

All I ever wanted to happen about 'EU immigration', was for a limit to be put on it. In other words the UK needed to be 'in control of it' and not 'not in control of it'. We needed to be in charge of it and not Brussels. I felt it was utterly ridiculous for the EU to have an uncontrolled complete freedom of movement for people. In theory, this meant they could all end up moving to just one country or even emptying another completely.

I also have the opinion, that most EU immigrants are hard working people who want to do well for themselves and particularly, for their family. This means we benefit greatly from having them. Surely to goodness though, there needs to be some sort of theoretical controls in place?

So I'm not anti-EU immigration, I am actually pro-EU immigration - that is, providing there are UK controls put in place. Complete freedom of movement without any controls at all is just so utterly stupid! Freedom of movement just isn't comfortable to believe in. Like Nigel famously postulated: without controls, I might end up with 5,000 Romanians moving into my local area.

And going back a few years, the UK had a such a benevolent benefits system, it had created a massive work-shy UK work force. Such a lot of people were not very motivated and happy to just live a life on benefits. Not so with the work ethic illustrated by the EU immigrants.

So I easily recognised what was best for 'us': ie. hard working EU immigrants - as against lazy, work-shy Brits. I don't actually feel a need to apologise for having that belief either.

I also believe we will do better for ourselves out of the EU than in it. And I also want us to govern ourselves rather than be governed by Brussels. That's why I'm a big fan of listening to what the likes of Nigel Farage and Jacob Rees-Mogg have to say about things.