Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Lol , what a bloody cheek.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/public-backs-fresh-referendum-apos-234722054.html

Read the article , then get to this bit ................

The YouGov poll – of 813 people – also found a narrow lead to remain in the EU, should a further referendum be staged, of 44 per cent to 41 per cent.........................

813 people !! where did they poll them ? London ? i bet it wasn't scunthorpe or Boston or a group of fishermen on the East Coast ,how can a poll of 813 people represent the British public far and wide anyway.

Look at who posted that article - Rob Merrick. Calls himself a self-exiled Welshman and citizen of Europe. No agenda there then.
Retweeted "Centrist bastards threatening to set up their own party thereby endangering Jeremy's chances of becoming Prime Minister should just fuck off and stay in the Labour Party". An example of the clear thinking of Momentum. Almost Churchillian in its prose.

I didn't look at who posted that iturama ,that figures .

Hungary's Viktor Orbán secures another term with resounding win



Orbán and his Fidesz party projected to take 133 seats with 93% of votes counted, after a heavily anti-migration campaign



Shaun Walker in Budapest

Sun 8 Apr 2018 23.55 BST


Hungary’s anti-migration prime minister, Viktor Orbán, has secured a third consecutive term in office after his Fidesz party won a resounding victory in parliamentary elections on Sunday.


After running a campaign almost exclusively focused on the apparent threat posed by migration, Orbán’s Fidesz will have a majority in parliament and may even regain a two-thirds “supermajority” which allows constitutional changes.

With around 93% of votes counted, Fidesz was projected to take 133 of the parliament’s 199 seats, the minimum required for the supermajority.


Orbán appeared shortly before midnight to claim victory in front of a cheering crowd outside the Fidesz election headquarters on the Danube in Budapest.

“We won,” Orbán said. “We gave ourselves a chance to protect Hungary.”

Second place in the vote went to Jobbik, the far-right party that has attempted to rebrand itself as an anti-corruption centrist force. The party is set to win just 26 seats, and its leader, Gábor Vona, said he would resign.



More: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/08/hungarys-viktor-orban-secures-another-term-with-resounding-win

the election result in hungary is quite disturbing, as the overwhelming winner for the 3rd time is viktor orban from the pretty (ugly) far right with the distant 2nd-placed party being descendants of the genghis khan democratic party



orban erected a monument in 2014 which says much about his party's political views, as outlined below

Critics of the monument – which depicts Hungary as the Archangel Gabriel being attacked by a German imperial eagle – say it absolves the Hungarian state and Hungarians of their active role in sending some 450,000 Jews to their deaths during the occupation.

And another remoaner myth bites the dust...


https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/goldman-sachs-ceo-says-hes-proved-wrong-brexit-far-170345140.html

So that's another we can add to a long and growing list headed by scaremongers Cammy and Osbourne.

Labour guy on QT last night still spouting the same old shite about us not voting to leave the customs union / single market blah blah blah. Maybe he should have read the literature the government sent to every household , made it clear what would happen if we voted out.

350 days to go.

i believe he got shot down by some woman on the panel

Audience weren't amused either when he mentioned a second referendum.

Letters: United action against chemical attacks is undermined by Germany


14 April 2018 • 12:01am





SIR – No wonder Germany declares it will take no military action over the chemical attack in Syria. The Gazprom scandal (report, April 13) lays bare the hypocrisy of the EU and Germany.

On the one hand Britain is told we can’t have a bespoke trade deal, as the same rules apply to all 27 nations. On the other, Germany “negotiates” a deal with Russia’s state-backed Gazprom to receive gas more cheaply than other EU nations. This goes against EU regulations, but, since it is Germany, a blind eye is turned, while poorer neighbours suffer far higher rates.

To add insult to injury, Germany then pushes Gazprom’s agenda with Brussels to undermine EU regulations further, yet no action is taken.



More if you sign up:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2018/04/14/lettersunited-action-against-chemical-attacks-undermined-germany/

Moral cowardice...

Wtf do they contribute to NATO too ?

Can understand their position re front line action but are they paying their way and what about Merkel making a statement backing her two biggest EU defence allies ?

EU silence says it all ... 27 countries united with a common goal my arse.

We still negotiating a deal with the EU or have we told them to get in line with rest of the world ?

Gone a bit quiet lately , I'm beginning to miss Barny and Junkit's rantings and threats.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-eu-france-macron-brexit/best-way-for-uk-to-keep-eu-trade-links-is-eu-membership-macron-idUKKBN1HO1KN?feedType=nl&feedName=uktopnewsearly&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2018%20Template:%20LUNCH%20BREAK%20NEWS%202018-04-17&utm_term=UK%20Lunch%20Break


An interesting read.

I doubt it Fred unless of course you still don't believe we're leaving.

Peers versus the people as they vote down coming out of the customs union (ie. leaving the EU).

I think the people will win! The EU is not a democracy and is utterly barmy.

And so does my hero and 'PM in waiting', Jacob Rees-Mogg. He says a lot of the red robed EU supporters are 'cave dwellers' who rely on the support of the EU for their pensions.

Looks like the Father Christmas of the Year awards except that Father Christmas serves a purpose.

I nicked this from across the road, no link.



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Globally, the scale and pace of the economic decline of the EU since the UK joined is staggering.

In 1980, the nine nations then in the EU accounted for 30% of global GDP – measured by purchasing power parity, adjusting for prices.

Today, although the EU now has three times more member states, its world GDP share has plunged to 16pc.

The Commonwealth has fared differently. In 1980, its members made up 15pc of global GDP. Today, the figure is 18% with no increase in member states.

Clearly, abandoning a Commonwealth that subsequently went on to grow at many, many multiples of the rate of a massively over-regulated, highly protectionist EU has been a monumental mistake of epic proportions.

And, staying in or in very close alignment to the EU will only compound that huge mistake.

Why? Because demography is destiny. The EU has shrunk dramatically in relative economic terms, while its population profile continues to get much older. The Commonwealth, in contrast, home to a third of the world’s population and two fifths of those under 40, is primed for massive future growth. The Commonwealth is “the future”.

The Commonwealth boasts the second-biggest economy in Asia and the largest in Africa – the two most populous continents. Vibrant and fast growing, these continents are still building infrastructure and adopting new technologies at breakneck speed. They are at the heart of the West-to-East shift in global commerce, the economic mega trend of our time.

Those who dismissively scoff that Commonwealth nations are geographically distant ignore how global trade has changed. Almost total and continuous connectivity has slashed the cost of commu­nications and information transfer inside global value chains.

That has completely upended world trade patterns, making old trade-bloc thinking increasingly irrelevant. There is now far more freight containers shipped on Intra Asian and African Routes than on the once mighty trade shipping lanes to the USA and Europe combined.


Data Source - Liam Halligan/Economist

Aye , stuff the single market we voted to leave not remain.