This board has been a little to quiet for while.

Is it time that Bush and Blair who is a close friend and confidant of Bush were tried for War Crimes?

Do you think the use by the American Administrations of renditions are War Crimes and committed with full knowledge of American and British leaders ie. Blair and Bush and they are ultimately responsible?

Also in the aftermath of the illegal invasion of Iraq are should their action seen to be as the provocation for the rising toll of British, American and Iraqi deaths.

As a result of the military intervention in Iraq do you think you are safer in Britain to-day?

Do you think one should expect government leaders and ministers who have been responsible for massive foreseeable casualties should visit the hospitals to meet the casualties they have produced directly or indirectly by their actions?

maestro ,

Be careful what you say the Bogymen read these threads, you are being watched.

maestro editing his posts, the net is closing in;-)

In Iran, supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei used the comments to call for protests against the United States. He argued that while the pope may have been deceived into making his remarks, the words give the West an "excuse for suppressing Muslims" by depicting them as terrorists.

"Those who benefit from the pope's comments and drive their own arrogant policies should be targeted with attacks and protests," he said, referring to the United States.
These simple souls must have a death wish!

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does anyone know, if there is a pro war in iraq rally anywhere. Im sick of all these anti rallies and would love to show my support.

No, but If your keen on this war you could always contact these:

http://www.army.mod.uk/royalengineers/

They may be of some help.

marc..you need help...i suggest contact Rampton hospital

That is maestro talking about first hand experience........

The facts are simple- the war in iraq was just and we were right to go in.
The only thing thats wrong was the no exit plan. We have been bogged down trying to give people a democracy who have no idea what it means.
People can whinge and wine but doing nothing was not an option. I have never been a supporter if this government but its the only thing they have done that showed any bollocks. They lied about WMD's because they needed to justify the war when the fact that Saddam was killing hundreds daily was reason enough.
Its very easy to sit in your nice air conditioned office and judge when you getting your information from the net. Its easy to moan about civil rights when these rights are being abused and used to hinder the security services.

Stan the Royal Engineers are not fighting soldiers - I spent 14 years as a fighting soldier and get 90% of my information direct from Iraq from serving officers. What I hear is not watered down its pure fact.
May I sugest you take a quick trip and see for yourself/

Marc, why don't you start your own rally in Bordesley Green B'ham and see who joins you.

Should be quite a good party.

Unfortunately it is a sad and disturbing sign of the ultra PC times we live in, that anyone suggesting a rally in favour of the action we have taken is derided and seen as some kind of fringe lunatic, whereas those against the action are to be welcomed, and even allowed to make such a smug and derisory comment.
It is much the same as the oft asked question of why there is no "Music of White Origin" awards ceremony, or White police officers association, or white businessman of the year award.
The heavily liberal biased press and those in academia have hijacked the agenda away from majority rule and non-racism and formed their own agenda of positive racism and majority rule where they deem it is inoffensive.
Very sad, and very strange that the ones who claim to be the guardians of peace, equality and democracy are the ones who disallow it, and seek to destroy it.
Alan

Thats not a bad idea fred, location might be a bit iffy, but any educated part of the country should do.

alan, there is music of 'white origin' it's called COUNTRY.
;-))
it's rubbish, almost as bad as cRAP.

Mark, Maybe this one will be of some help then. http://www.armyjobs.mod.uk/ but having served for 14 years you probably already know about that one.

Fred's suggestion is probably your best bet In that case, If you feel so strongly that way.

Posting on financial BBs won't reach to many people I would have thought.

Marc, it's the lying .... there was no need for it.
If from the outset the Gov't had said were going to iraq to kick butt , coz saddams a complete **** to his people. i would have quiter happily waved the flag. etc.
But they tried WMD's and then the yanks tried to link saddam to AL-QUEDA???? (and are still doing so) .... it's lies, lies , lies.
But hey they're politicians--say what did I really expect.

anyway the damage has been done, I hope they get more that a puppet regime set up, before we move onto wherever.

the thing that really upsets me is , Blair comes accross in europe
(where i do most of my work) as BUSH's lapdog. thats a really sad state of affairs for this country.

Never said it was good, tweenie ;-)
Most sensible answer in over 900 posts!!!

NIce to have a sitting army of upwards of 150k fighting men, and untold military hardware sitting right in the heart of the middle east.......

And the locals fighting amongst themselves......Any excuse to achieve the objective, WMD saddam you pick;-)

I agree the lying was stupid and a typical examle of this government. Honesty is the best policy was never a politician thing requardless of what party.
They seems to take the population for idiots.
We must be - they are still in power.
We are now in a situation where all those troops are being wasted. Why? because as part of our NATO commitment we ( as a country) agreed to 150,000 troops in the area. The majority are support and supply ( pen pushers) so the few fighting troops that are in theatre are over stretched and unable to do the job properly. As far as the government is concerned it had met its obligations.

Yes Blaire is a US lapdog. No question about it. The last British PM to stand up and make a decision was Maggie. Not a popular leader but at least she had the gumtion to stand up and make a decision.

Where do we go from here? - We have created a situation in Iraq, right or wrong, it has happend. Our role now should be to control it build the infrastructure to stabalize the country and then leave. If the people was to revert to what was before then that is thier choice.

And the british tax payer foots the bill, while Hospitals are going bust and the sick have to pay for personal care.

Mentioning Money, whiat is Blair's pension after his success story?

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