Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Theresa May can't even get the backing of her own party, and the Moggy is relying on IDS and the neo-cons to remain as so-called leader of an out of date tory relics.

Perhaps in the chaos produced by the inspirational Cameron and cronies, it is more sensible not to shooting one's mouth off and thinking and considering the present mess which some idiots in the Con artists' party are cheering about.

Mind I think it probably a minority of true thinking conservatives believe in policies being developed in No 10 and Con Party HQ, but are going along in hope of saving their seats in the next election.

Mind, they will have to hope they get more money from the Cayman Isles and like to support and peddle their fake news and propaganda.

What a bunch of creeps and fellow travelers.

and, given that you proclaim that comrade corbyn runs a democratic party, what has the above to do with corbyn failing to support the wishes of his party in wholeheartedly backing the Remain campaign from the outset?

Here is something to upset Fred and the Remoaners weekend :-)

Nicked from across the road, h/t to GYY



BREXITEER Jacob Rees-Mogg revealed a key trading rule ignored by the House of Lords EU Committee in their latest report will guarantee the UK to carry on with zero tariffs trade before securing a free trade agreement with the Brussels bloc.

Speaking on BBC Daily Politics, the Tory Brexiteer dismantled the latest House of Lords' Brexit report which claimed food prices would soar immediately if the UK did not manage to negotiate a free trade agreement by the end of the transitional period.

Mr Rees-Mogg argued the Committee had completely ignored a fundamental World Trade Organisation rule that will allow the UK to maintain the same trading standards for ten years while negotiating a free trade deal with the EU.

He said: “The House of Lords has missed one very important thing.

That is that if you are in a negotiation for a free trade agreement you can maintain your existing standards for ten years under WTO rules.

So we have ten years from the moment in which we leave the European Union to negotiate a free trade agreement with the EU which would mean we could carry on with our zero tariffs.



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This is something the report completely ignores, it’s unaware of.

They don’t know what they’re talking about. (like many on this BB)

I’ve read the report, it’s got no reference to this WTO rule."

Asked whether he believed this was another attempt from the upper House to thwart Brexit, he joked: “Well, the Chairman of the Committee is a former member of the EU Parliament so it’s a fairly safe bet that he’s a Remainer.”

for a change that is actually very amusing

Pinched from Traders' Thread.


https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-europe-view-wednesday/daily-briefing-academic-row-adds-to-italian-coalition-mess-idUKKCN1IO0TR

Brexit will be a doddle compared to the problems the EU will face if Italy pulls out of the Euro.

Junky and co must be pulling their hair out , Greece problem will probably pop up again in the not too distant future.

Pig-headed. They are on the way to achieving the very thing they claim to be against.

I wonder that Italy isn't having a Brexit of its own...except they don't have the past-history to believe it's possible..... At least here we were "Great" and some believe that can be done again without the Europeans dragging us down with Red-Tape and £-Contributions.... ( So why we agree to provide any pay-off amazes me!).
Where there are Joint-Projects then we need to negotiate the situation, so we are recognised for the % to date AND what investment we'll provide ( while matching theirs.), obviously being "partners" in any given "Project" and paying a % we must have a say in how that "Project" is run . . . something that many in Europe would support, knowing that UK-plc might do some good.
As to "new" projects...I think these should rely on their Merits.... wherever we see collaboration benefits... & Why not?
However, the Remoaners' slogans of "Better IN, to add our Say" falls on deaf ears (with ME), since I'm not able to recall ANY situation where GB-input has been accepted and Eurocrats have followed our suggestions.
.... but Anyone, please say.

Where I find madness is the Government is hardly FOR Brexit ( except in words), and Parliament wants to forget the Referendum, believing that THEY know better and WE should listen to our Betters. Much the same applies to the HoL- which I believed was a "stabalising back-stop" -but now the HoL is full of CRONIES- it's difficult to detect any difference in the Houses. The Members should be selected on NOT being politicos.... and pref. with some tech-knowledge so they can stop hair-brained PROJECTS that cost the Earth and return only Dust.
Arrgh!

I have always believed that MPs should be lemmings and follow their betters and not be able to reconsider previous policies when new evidence is revealed.

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Whoever wrote this must be an idiot.

Cooperation our watchword
The Observer27 May 2018
In arguing for the UK’s membership of Efta/EEA as the best option for implementing Brexit while protecting the livelihood of British workers (“A return to common market principles is the best way to leave EU”, Focus, last week), Stephen Hammond MP says that we must ditch the political aspects of the EU so we can retain the economic benefits. But the primary motivation for the founding of the EU’s predecessors was political, as a reaction to centuries of conflict with ever varying combinations of allies and enemies.

I voted Remain on balance for political reasons rather than economic ones. The unprecedented range of problems faced by the human race today can only be solved by cooperation at all levels, from the individual to the global. The EU is an attempt to implement this to a limited extent at one of those levels. In or out of the EU, cooperation must still be the watchword.

Frank Jackson Harlow, Essex

Yep he's a right idiot Fred.

Believe it or not but nations outside of the EU co-operate with each other as remoaners would see if they took their heads out of their arses.

303 days to go.

Dil.

Of course, you are referring to peace and tranquillity of the M.E. as well as Russian and its border states or perhaps Russia and Europe in general.

Trump and Canada, China, North and South Korea.

Perfect harmony.

But Britain reneging on previous agreements is good for future business deals, especially those done with those with the same business morality and reliability of Trump and cohorts.

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Forgot it is the new international business morality. Anything goes.

The future would seem safe in hands similar to yours.

And what previous agreements are we reneging on?

How a van driver explained the impact of Brexit to Jacob Rees-Mogg

The courier boss who challenged Jacob Rees-Mogg on Brexit explains why we need to stay in the customs union and the single market

88 COMMENTS (as I type). Check them out (George Soros conspirators? or not?) at:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/how-van-driver-explained-impact-12620627#comments-section

From Mirror online
By Ciaran Donovan

13:50, 30 MAY 2018
UPDATED14:13, 30 MAY 2018

My name is Ciaran, and I have over a decade of hands-on knowledge in express and customs-free movements of commercial goods in and out of Europe.

This week I challenged Jacob Rees-Mogg live on the radio because he is making misleading claims about what leaving the Single Market and the Customs Union will mean for small business owners like me.

For the last twelve years I have established my own European Express Transport Business, mainly transporting for “just in time” supply chains.

This includes collecting components for the automotive industry all over Europe and delivering them to 24-hour production lines back in the UK where most car firms rely on a 'just in time' supply of components.

Some of my customers include Ford in Dagenham and Bridgend, Jaguar Land Rover in the Midlands, BMW Mini in Oxford and Nissan in Sunderland, as well as Rolls-Royce on the south coast.

All these car makers rely on the express movements of goods to assist in the smooth operation of their production lines, as they do not have the space to stockpile.

Prompt collection is absolutely vital.

Most of the jobs I work on are only made possible by being inside the Single Market, which gives me access to the goods, whilst being in the Customs Union means no physical border to clear them.

Politicians like Jacob Rees-Mogg and Kate Hoey talk a lot about Switzerland being a possible model for how the UK could operate outside the EU and outside the Customs Union.

(Lorries can face being stacked up at Dover if there is additional paperwork from Brexit)

Well I’ve got actual experience of delivering goods from the EU into Switzerland and there are huge amounts of checks and paperwork and costs and delays involved.

Believe me, it is very far from frictionless.

When I was delivering goods for an exhibition there, I had to get an invoice of the goods in advance from the client, pay an upfront cost (to be claimed back later), contact a customs agent at Dover to let him know what was I delivering, wait hours in a car park whilst the paperwork was being cleared, drive to Switzerland and then clear customs again at the Swiss border.

None of this is necessary if you’re in the Customs Union.

Norway is another model that sometimes gets brought up, even though Norway is in the Single Market which the UK Government wants to leave (although like Switzerland, Norway is not in the Customs Union).

Again, I’ve delivered goods across the Norway border and it’s not as straightforward as we are being told by the politicians.

Due to the nature of the goods I was delivering, I was advised to get a carnet - a passport for goods.

(Jacob Rees-Mogg is accused of misleading people over the impact of Brexit)

They vary in price but this one cost £750. It took my customer one week to compile the carnet, and EVERYTHING had to be listed.

If you get it wrong, the fines are big, even if it’s an honest mistake.

Once I arrived in Norway I was stopped by customs and told to park up while they check everything in my van against what was listed on the carnet, a process that took five hours.

I recently acquired a big contract with a major European customer to collect and deliver goods on an express service (usually overnight) from Paris to London and back twice a week.

This will only be made possible by the freedom of movement of commercial goods.

I really fear that this contract will be lost if we leave.

I know it’s not just about me.

This is about the wider picture: we need to look after the interests of the UK as a whole, not just the wishes of a few who want to leave the Customs Union and the Single Market for their own benefit.

That’s why I support a People’s Vote on the final Brexit deal , so that we can look at what’s actually on offer and decide if it’s in the best interests of the whole country.

The whole thing is made up EL, just another brick in the wall excuse by the remainers.

The idea of a man and van moving stuff around €urope on a just in time basis is laughable. It works for local suppliers within a few hours of the main factory, but other than that it defeats the purpose as it takes too long to complete the exercise.

Italy anyone?

Maxk , just in time does work across longer distances it's just that the goods leave the factory earlier and will still work outside the single market.

If say it takes 24 hours to ship from here to Ford in Germany prior to Brexit and 36 hours or even 48 hours post Brexit then this will be allowed for when goods are dispatched.

Not fecking rocket science is it ?

Fred , so are you suggesting that by staying in we will resolve all the conflicts you mention or that by coming out we are going to start some type of war with the EU ?

No, but remaining in is better than P up against the wall on the outside.

it's a view, but no more valid than wanting to escape