Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Do you mean the rest of the World consider that Europe is a lost cause?

Isn't the UK part of the disaster area?

I mean other areas are rising and it will become their time. Is the UK in Europe? Yes. Adapt or die.

cynic - index rather than individual shares, too many dodgy finance directors.

i dabble in both but NEVER in the micro-minnows that so many lemmings seem to love

In what way is the world supposedly laughing at Europe exactly?

By its political antics, perhaps.

You can enlightenment from outside the circus ring!

Yes, I've been reading all about the political antics of Maggie Dismay and the Great British House of Commons over the last 24 hours, Fred. Maybe that's what KidA meant when he said the rest of the world were laughing at Europe???

Wow 58 posts since I been away and guess what Fred ... we still leaving so get over it and enjoy the World Cup


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Outside the circus ring? Cerise Noire Girl isn't in an EU country? Chuckling at the EU shooting itself in the foot - matters beyond the UK - and the arrogance hangover of the area.

The Rebellion is on.

Tory bites tory.

FWIW this Euo Sat-NAv . . . . it looks like the Germans are suggesting UK won't be a full-partner ( despite our massive Funding and Tech-input)... so we will get the "Consumer_Version" (my words)....SO, should we pull the Investment since BREXIT appears to be the German reasoning ( which I can't fault if one is detached like a lawyer sitting in a plush Court, with Zippo knowledge of Life; . )....
SO should we Partner with someone else and create a third offering . . . . Seems to me the Australians might be well placed, having previous launch experiences and being situated about as far away on the Globe - If we include some British territories, like Falklands ( and possibly Canada )..... who knows the Koreans might . . . but I'd worry about "Northern Tech-leakage" ..... With these well-positioned Earth-Stations any satellite errors "could be removed", making the system very accurate and with GCHO input the commercial value should be good too.
Military users would "probably" want to use two or more systems ( if only as Back-up), so we could be doing a Deal with the US - maybe not the Full-Monty, but whatever suited us both. Meanwhile, the Euro-GPS will be resting on German Tech ( and French?), so it will be easy to spot flaws.... and clearly, they don't want our money!

That would probably sound like a very good idea, hangon, if I had any idea what you're going on about.

'BRUSSELS is preparing the ground for Britain to stay in the EU beyond next March amid fears Theresa May's government is now too dysfunctional to negotiate properly.

Eurocrats have held high-level informal talks about the possibility of extending the Article 50 period if talks fail to progress over the summer.......

Earlier this week EU ministers paved the way for the UK to stay in the bloc until 2024 as they quietly agreed a legal dossier on the composition of the next EU Parliament.'

Oh dear, Dilbert, how many days would that make it then?

:o)

Brief and shorthand.

As I guessed and point out just after the referendum, the UK will be, or possibly "Maybe" outside the "governing" bodies of the Main EU block, but still subservient to the rules and regulations and will be unable to modify them.

The UK if it leaves the EU will be serving at the table hoping for tips and a "doggie bag" to take home any unwanted left-overs.
(It won’t even be able to bark effectively.)

The EU has problems, the UK can put forward its arguments and if they are beneficial to the whole or the majority of the members of the EU would be receptive to change the rules and regulations etc.
What is this important “sovereignty” and what specifically will be the gains of such?

The UK can make whatever rules it likes, but at the end of the day in” economic matters” it is whether the standards, rules and laws are accepted by international “competitors”, or not, which will matter. (The Donald Trumps of the World.)

If the Laws, rules, regulations are “right” and “fair”, what difference will it make as which governing body made and enforces them.

I have a gut feeling some of the underlying reasons for “fear” around the EU was the impending and probable future overseeing and tightening of “Money Laundering”, which is presently current through the City of London. (Just a guess, could be wrong.)
Immigration is a problem, but immigration was a problem after WW2, and resolved by Europe as a whole, with the use of displaced person camps under EU and United Nations supervision, similar to those organised by the Allied forces and UNRRA post WW2.

It is gradually being recognised and accepted as a European and World problem, but trying to wash hands of the responsibility of resolving the problems prolongs and only magnifies the problem.

Don't fret Hils we shall be leaving next March regardless of whether Brussels likes it or not.

And they will cobble a deal together at the 11th hour that will be acceptable to us because they need our money which is dependent on a deal.

Fred we are leaving , get over it.

I thought you would be in Russia looking for other types of scraps?

Us Welsh fans prefer to watch the WC from afar as we have done every 4 years since 1958.

Dil,

You may be interested in "Europe is fast losing interest in the Brexit soap – it has bigger worries"
Andrew Rawnsley

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/17/europe-losing-interest-brexit-soap-it-has-bigger-worries

"Faced with challenges that threaten the EU’s very existence, continental leaders have little patience left for Britain’s baffling theatrics"


it is certainly far from impossible that eu is indeed starting to fall apart at the systems, for all sorts of reasons
therefore perhaps this is added reason why eu should be rather more conciliatory in its approach to to the brexit negotiations

Manuel,

It is the Little Englanders who are trying to break up the party and run off with the toys they want.

Very little reason for the remaining party goers to be bothered about them.

so you keep saying, though it's not really accurate

your preference - and it is a valid view - is that uk should have voted to stay and fought from the inside

equally valid, and one does not need to be rabid about it though a good number are, is that uk will be better off outside

if the "remaining party goers" aren't that fussed if uk leaves, then equally there is no need or point in them trying to be spiteful, as led by barnier

of course nothing in politics is ever that simple