Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

The fact is that new trade agreements have to be agreed within two years once Article 50 has been invoked. It would make good sense to only invoke Article 50 once a new Tory leadership was in place and a comprehensive exit strategy formed with agreement of a new Brexit cabinet. Show the door to those with no commitment to the strategy.
The trade agreements could be on the basis of free movement but, given the immigration pressure, are much more likely to be on a work permit basis, with the right to indefinite stay for those already living and working in the UK. That would be reciprocal to those living and working in the EU. My opinion for what it is worth.

And please don't compare the UK to Norway. It is the 5th largest economy in the world and despite the cuts, the strongest military in the EU.
Herr Juncker in comparison has managed to get sacked from tiny Luxembourg. The UK is big enough to work out its own model. And the bureaucrats in the EU know that. You can expect a lot of puffed out chests and gestulations but thats what they do. They can safely be ignored as irrelevant. As usual only Germany, with France sloping behind, will be relevant to the discussion.

i certainly can't prove it, but both france and germany (in particular) would be very worried indeed if uk looked likely to vote "out", though they will blather they really don't care and that it will be uk's loss

their fear will not be so much uk's exit, as the impetus it will give to the rising clamour of other disaffected people in other member states, and the extra instability that will breed

Brussels thrown into chaos as Dutch people plan SECOND referendum on hated trade deal.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/661506/Dutch-referendum-EU-referendum-TTIP-trade-deal-Brexit?ref=yfp

Duplicate post..

The EU is on it's way out if Britain leaves .

The EU could crumble like the Soviet Union if Britain leaves, Gove claims as he urges voters to 'liberate' the continent

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3547247/Conservatives-war-Gove-accuses-pro-EU-ministers-treating-public-like-children-warns-Brussels-holding-Britain-hostage.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

will10 so Turkey has a special arrangement..Now what
would this special arrangement be, and which makes it
more important then the UK in YOUR opinion??? .

As already stated by others and myself, the UK is the 5th
largest economy in the world, what gives you the foresight
to state that Turkey could and should have preferential
treatment over the UK

What do you mean by the UK is different to Turkey
outside the EU..Obviously in a detrimental way in your
opinion, and that they wouldn't be able to negotiate an
advantageous trade agreement..Maybe not with Cameron
doing the negotiating, but get someone who has this country
at heart then we certainly can.......

EU referendum: More than half of French voters want their own In/Out vote, with voters in Sweden, Spain and Germany all calling for referendums

EU ON ITS WAY OUT

http://www.cityam.com/236681/eu-referendum-more-than-half-of-french-voters-want-their-own-in-out-vote-with-voters-in-sweden-spain-and-germany-all-calling-for-referendums

jimmy (919) - that's an interesting article though it leaves me puzzled
if the dutch public can force a referendum vote on a brussels stitch-up by getting together a petition of only 300k, why can't other eu member states?

Don't know cynic but i can feel a force gathering in Europe of the major countries .

Sweden as i posted earlier today want a vote and a poll says 59% would vote out

you mean my post 918 may not be quite so nutty after all?

Remainers dare not be honest about the EU – so they peddle images of apocalypse

By
Tom Harris

19 April 2016 • 12:57pm



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/19/remainers-dare-not-be-honest-about-the-eu--so-they-peddle-images/

It's quite amazing all these people in authority telling us how bad leaving would be , not one got the BALLS to tell us what they will accomplish if we vote out , apparently they aren't capable of that scenario , just sucking up to EU dreamers .

that's not fair at all

there are very strong arguments for staying, effectively a known open market and ongoing economic stability and all that attaches to that

the downside of the above is the ever increasing influence of (undemocratic) brussels legislation, slow absorption into a federal europe whether we like it or not, and unencumbered free movement into uk for the ever growing population of "the club"

No your post 918 is far from nutty ,i really believe that if we leave Europe collapses within a few years or sooner and it would be the best thing that could happen.

What's fair got to do with it , the EU is a mess .

cynic your post 929 gives every reason to leave !!

at least it was balanced - i think

Why does everything have to balanced , are the stayers in any way balanced they are probably lying their socks off .

You would hardly call Fred and Stan balanced would you ,one's a drunk and neither will vote even though they hate Britain.