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phew, glad i did, spurs 1-0 up early

Hi all

anyone using betfair/betangel this pm - both keep sticking quite badly my end - anyone else got probs

Katies tutor in the 3.30

gone from 5/1 to 8/1 on course
gone from 7.5 to 23 on here

someone doesnt fancy its chances much!!!

fundy just got back in not used betfair yet is yours alright now?

Seems ok here but only in the last 15mins as not been on earlier

One thing I have noticed since betfair's new platform is that I frequently get stuck when loading a market and have to reload. This is on betfair only and not on betangel.

Woodie

still sticking a little, nothing serious just my 1 second refresh can take 3 or 4 seconds occasionally. betangel froze on me completely at one stage (cue mass panic lol)

working fine here same as bakko takes a bit longer to load the nice graphics

Lingfield 4.30 went to a photo. They called the wrong winner, which was then weighed in and the bell rung so the result stands. They then realised they had called the wrong winner (the other had been backed at heavy odds on in the photo).

So the second past the post is the official winner and betfair have settled that way - most bookies are either paying out on both or as a dead heat

photo looked a dead heat to me

I had a good day on the horses today.

Didn't see any particulary freezing problems but somebody else I know reported them. It's difficult to identify when there are issues sometimes. Is it a local machine problem, ISP latency or Betfair? Or all three, lol!

"They called the wrong winner, which was then weighed in and the bell rung so the result stands"

What a mess that was, fury on the horse racing forum!

Too right and all scrip, its not the first time this judge has got it wrong either, theres certainly 4 or 5 previous examples including a very high profile one at kempton. also, the reason she has the job - she just happens to be married to the chief exec of lingfield! the galling thing about it all is the result was called in less than 30 seconds from a photograph on the tv in which it was impossible to split them and the correct result was only noticed by the ATR commentator!

Evening All

Anyone on the Man U game tonight?

completely forgot about it bak - just taking a look now

Cant have united at 1.7 away from home, price obviously very low after the CC final - will take a watching brief for now though tempted to lay them

After the demolition job in the final I think Wigan will start off all guns blazing.

I'll give in another 10mins before I decide what to do.

I would have thought a few quid on ManU wouldn't be a terrible gamble. Wigan's spirit seems to have gone. May want revenge tonight I guess. Not clear cut for sure.

Only in racing.........!

Controversy at Lingfield

by Bruce Jackson


JUDGE Jane Stickels, whose previous errors have earned her the nickname 'Calamity Jane', sparked uproar among the bookmaking fraternity on Monday, when calling the wrong winner of the 4.30pm at Lingfield and failing to spot her mistake until after the official 'weigh-in'.
The error, estimated by Coral to have cost the industry 2million, and by on-course layer Barry Dennis to have cost 7millon, meant most bookmakers paid out on both the official winner, 9-4 favourite Welsh Dragon, and actual winner Miss Dagger, a 14-1 shot ridden by 7lb claimer Kylie Manser.

While the betting ring was in chaos over the blunder, there were few, if any, mutterings of discontent among punters at the track as the judge's mistake proved a windfall for many of them who had backed the gambled-on favourite Welsh Dragon, who was erroneously announced the winner after a head-bobbing finish to the first division of the seven-furlong handicap.

Stickels, despite a previous catalogue of errors including a suspension from dutiesin 1999, has been back on the judges' roster for a few years, and has even recently been involved in training new judges.

Officially, all bets on Monday - and until such time as an official Jockey Club enquiry corrects the mistake - were settled on the"wrong result", although many bookmakers were quick to contact the Racing Post to announce a double payout, although for pool betting purposes Totesport had no option but to stick with the official winner.

In what amounted to a farcical situation, connections of Welsh Dragon received winning mementoes as the weighed-in announcement was made, but within seconds Stickels announced over the public address system the correction in Miss Dagger's favour.

The stewards immediately announced an inquiry and subsequently ordered a confidential report to be forwarded to the Jockey Club at Shaftesbury Avenue after interviewing Stickels and viewing the photo finish print.

The stewards' inquiry announced the corrected result under Rule 26 but confirmed that as the correction was not made before the official weighed-in, all bets stood on the original result.

Division one of the littlewoodspools.co.uk Handicap will be amended in due course to reflect the actual result.

Stipendiary steward Richard Westropp said:"Basically what has happened is the judge quickly called a result and that was the incorrect call, which was noted after the weighed-in notice was given. Under Rule 26, we corrected the judge's original call."

Andrew Balding, the trainer of Welsh Dragon, was phlegmatic about the incident and naturally delighted that the gamble on his favourite had been officially landed.

He said: "I thought at first we might have won but there was a flared nostril in it. It looked pretty close to me, and I was very disappointed when the result was amended. The weighed-in signal had been made after the result was announced in our favour, so I can't see how it can be changed. He is a horse who will win again."

In contrast, Miss Dagger's camp was far from happy in receiving the prize-money but not the betting booty.

Trainer John Best said: "My owners are up in arms because they backed her. One had 100 each-way, so the judge's mistake has cost him 2,000. I was surprised the result was announced before the horses got off the track as I thought it was close and Jamie Spencer on Welsh Dragon thought he was beaten, so we were concerned whether the result was right."

Some disgruntled backers of Miss Dagger who gathered around the weighing room were talking about taking legal advice against the Jockey Club and its official over the incident, a situation that does have a precedent of sorts.

On October 2004 at Pontefract, Harrycat was incorrectly called by the judge as third when it was in fact fifth. Betfair settled on what the judge should have called - Meneef as third - before the weigh-in was announced, but a punter who had backed Harrycat questioned Betfair's common sense approach, took the matter to the Independent Betting Arbitration Service, and won.

Jockey Club spokesman Paul Struthers said: "A report will be sent in from the stewards and there will be an internal procedure that we will follow to see if any action will be taken.

"There will be an internal review, much in the same way anyone who works for any company with internal procedures. It would be totally inappropriate to comment on what they might be."

Wigan certainly up for it and created a couple of half chances already but would expect Utd to win, just cant see any value, if Utd price gets nearer to evens i may be more tempted

Scrip

Barry Dennis was interviewed on ATR but they had to get him off camera as he was in danger of libel.

Before that he admitted to it costing him 10K and the industry as much as 7m, due to the amount of money that was on the fav. One thing is for sure, the bookies who have paid out on both results would not have been as forthcoming if the fav was the winner but not given the official verdict!!!