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Referendum : to be in Europe or not to be ?, that is the question ! (REF)     

required field - 03 Feb 2016 10:00

Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

grannyboy - 19 Apr 2016 15:38 - 920 of 12628

Duplicate post..

jimmy b - 19 Apr 2016 15:40 - 921 of 12628

The EU is on it's way out if Britain leaves .

The EU could crumble like the Soviet Union if Britain leaves, Gove claims as he urges voters to 'liberate' the continent

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3547247/Conservatives-war-Gove-accuses-pro-EU-ministers-treating-public-like-children-warns-Brussels-holding-Britain-hostage.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

grannyboy - 19 Apr 2016 15:42 - 922 of 12628

will10 so Turkey has a special arrangement..Now what
would this special arrangement be, and which makes it
more important then the UK in YOUR opinion??? .

As already stated by others and myself, the UK is the 5th
largest economy in the world, what gives you the foresight
to state that Turkey could and should have preferential
treatment over the UK

What do you mean by the UK is different to Turkey
outside the EU..Obviously in a detrimental way in your
opinion, and that they wouldn't be able to negotiate an
advantageous trade agreement..Maybe not with Cameron
doing the negotiating, but get someone who has this country
at heart then we certainly can.......

jimmy b - 19 Apr 2016 15:44 - 923 of 12628

EU referendum: More than half of French voters want their own In/Out vote, with voters in Sweden, Spain and Germany all calling for referendums

EU ON ITS WAY OUT

http://www.cityam.com/236681/eu-referendum-more-than-half-of-french-voters-want-their-own-in-out-vote-with-voters-in-sweden-spain-and-germany-all-calling-for-referendums

cynic - 19 Apr 2016 15:46 - 924 of 12628

jimmy (919) - that's an interesting article though it leaves me puzzled
if the dutch public can force a referendum vote on a brussels stitch-up by getting together a petition of only 300k, why can't other eu member states?

jimmy b - 19 Apr 2016 15:48 - 925 of 12628

Don't know cynic but i can feel a force gathering in Europe of the major countries .

Sweden as i posted earlier today want a vote and a poll says 59% would vote out

cynic - 19 Apr 2016 15:49 - 926 of 12628

you mean my post 918 may not be quite so nutty after all?

MaxK - 19 Apr 2016 15:50 - 927 of 12628


Remainers dare not be honest about the EU – so they peddle images of apocalypse

By
Tom Harris

19 April 2016 • 12:57pm



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/19/remainers-dare-not-be-honest-about-the-eu--so-they-peddle-images/

VICTIM - 19 Apr 2016 15:56 - 928 of 12628

It's quite amazing all these people in authority telling us how bad leaving would be , not one got the BALLS to tell us what they will accomplish if we vote out , apparently they aren't capable of that scenario , just sucking up to EU dreamers .

cynic - 19 Apr 2016 16:02 - 929 of 12628

that's not fair at all

there are very strong arguments for staying, effectively a known open market and ongoing economic stability and all that attaches to that

the downside of the above is the ever increasing influence of (undemocratic) brussels legislation, slow absorption into a federal europe whether we like it or not, and unencumbered free movement into uk for the ever growing population of "the club"

jimmy b - 19 Apr 2016 16:04 - 930 of 12628

No your post 918 is far from nutty ,i really believe that if we leave Europe collapses within a few years or sooner and it would be the best thing that could happen.

VICTIM - 19 Apr 2016 16:05 - 931 of 12628

What's fair got to do with it , the EU is a mess .

jimmy b - 19 Apr 2016 16:06 - 932 of 12628

cynic your post 929 gives every reason to leave !!

cynic - 19 Apr 2016 16:07 - 933 of 12628

at least it was balanced - i think

VICTIM - 19 Apr 2016 16:12 - 934 of 12628

Why does everything have to balanced , are the stayers in any way balanced they are probably lying their socks off .

jimmy b - 19 Apr 2016 16:16 - 935 of 12628

You would hardly call Fred and Stan balanced would you ,one's a drunk and neither will vote even though they hate Britain.

cynic - 19 Apr 2016 16:22 - 936 of 12628

if you're dyed-in-wool either-camp, it matters not, but if you want to compare facts insofar as one can, then balanced views are much more persuasive

VICTIM - 19 Apr 2016 16:24 - 937 of 12628

jimmy there's a guy called Vernon Colman who said in 2011 that Ted Heath took us into Europe illegally , he's written a lot on the EU go to his site Vernon Coleman .

will10 - 19 Apr 2016 16:25 - 938 of 12628

Grannyboy

Go read EU notice 812 all will be explained.
UK will not get this deal.
Don't take my word, go read about it

jimmy b - 19 Apr 2016 16:33 - 939 of 12628

will10 we will not have open borders if we vote leave ,just wait and see.
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