Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Who cares what Labour think...........

Just let it continue and go to NO DEAL.

Fine........pay nothing to those EU asses and walk away......... WTO rules apply.

yup ... draw up the drawbridge, drop the portcullis and pour boiling tar over 'em all .... that'll larn 'em! ...... spiffing idea

No c, wto is anything but.

It's out in the big wide world, without the protection racket which is the €U.


Sounds like Trumpo is going to blow them up anyway, the trade imbalance is astounding (sound familiar?)

Not to mention the €urobuns expecting everyone else to pay for their defense.

Nicked from across the road

Yep MaxK.

US politicos have merrily been allowing the EU and China to have massive trade surpluses with the USA in return for their nearest and dearest getting very rich.

Trump is going to blow that all away.............. if they are unwilling to accept a zero tariff on everything, then trade will be like for like. US buys 100B from EU, then EU buys 100B from US.

That is why the liberal media and liberal lefty loons hate Trump. He simply is doing things right and is pissing off the snouts in the trough big time.

Look at the protection the EU affords to French farmers, its a prime example that the EU is just a racket, its corrupt, it serves no good for the majority.

WTO rules will make the cost of living in the UK fall........... but the Remoaners will never want to admit that.

The rest of the world is far bigger than the EU..........how can having a better trade relationship with them be detrimental......only in the eyes of a Remoaner.

Of course it matters what Labour think! It has done ever since Maggie Dismay lost her Commons majority, and was forced into giving MP's a meaningful vote on her Brexit deal.

Since then, the cracks in the Conservative party have just got deeper and deeper, and any gammon who can't see that there is a very real prospect of the government falling on its sword this autumn, and of Brexit not happening is looking at life through rose-tinted specs.

And if Maggie does survive, and Brexit does go ahead, then post-Brexit Britain will look no different to pre-Brexit Britain.

And George Soros has barely dipped into his warchest yet.....

There will be no deal..........thats looking more and more likely.

We are leaving the EU and if no deal is done, then we go out with no deal at all.

That is a good result.....back to WTO rules and totally and utterly out of Europe.

You lost the argument when you brought up Soros Hilary. I suspect the majority of people are furious with what has been going on and a revote would have an even bigger majority to leave. But that is not going to happen. The EU Withdrawal Bill is now law.

Soros...........please dont mention that complete #$@$'s name.

Russian meddling in the US election........ ???

Soros meddling in how many countries..... ??? He is the worst of the very worst in my view.

I'll settle for no deal and keeping our money.

I reckon that's what Boris and co will aim for now too and the only way May will pass anything is ith the support of Labour.

And put the barbed wire and barriers up again at Dover.

(To stop the brits getting out or other Europeans getting in?)

The good old days of 1939!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqtaoz4QFX8


Dafter and dafter!

My Mum and Dad were on the cliffs watching Dunkirk unfold from a distance at the start of the war.....euhhh...during the war.....

Brexit should simply be : trading with Europe and partners....but we choose what to participate in within reason....not just signing up to everything the European parliament wants us to.....

Why do Remoaners always associate leaving the EU with putting up barbed wire etc... ?

All that happens is we are no longer part of the EU. We can sign a trade agreement with China and the US and Canada and India and anywhere else, on our own terms.

We can buy goods from outside the EU without immediate 30% EU tariff........ so loads of things are going to get much cheaper.

In case its not been noticed the majority of the worlds population is outside the EU........being able to make trade deals with the majority and not locked into a corrupt EU is great.

9220. Dad was looking the other way rf. From the beach at Dunkirk towards the cliffs. He entered France in September 39 and came out in June 40 on a blood-stained collier. Like the match last night, it all started well.

Theresa,

You are OK.

The cabinet is behind you!

The Chequers Brexit compromise offers the worst of both worlds

Peter Mandelson

Sat 14 Jul 2018 20.59 BST


This half-in, half-out option will meet an abject fate


When I first looked at what had been agreed on Brexit at Chequers, I thought the plan would please nobody, but that the public might conclude that these proposals represent the best available.

In reality, it’s a spatchcocked, half-in, half-out plan and the business response was frustration: it is better trade news for goods but a disappointing hard Brexit for services. Those who voted to “take back control” were more vitriolic: it is an attempt to remain close to Europe, full of concessions and compromises, and therefore a million miles from what they expected.



In Brussels on the day of the white paper’s publication, I met officials on the British and EU sides, as well as the Irish, and found a desire to debate its content seriously. For the last two years Theresa May has elevated sovereignty over trade and she seemed to be making a timely correction, as well as reaffirming her Irish border commitment.

But as I returned home, my earlier doubts resurfaced. This plan neither allows us to receive the economic benefits of being fully inside the EU’s trade perimeter nor will it give us the freedom to market ourselves independently to the rest of the world. It is a halfway house that will leave us hanging by a thread, subject to the EU’s rules – whatever they are in future – with no say in their formulation.


More:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/14/chequers-compromise-brexit-worst-of-of-both-worlds-peter-mandelson

No Deal is now the preferred option of many.

Merkel and the others will only get serious about a deal when they are told in no uncertain terms we are going to walk away with no deal.

Then they will panic, then they will try to compromise.

But we should walk away regardless......back to WTO rules on trade. We were fine before the EEC with WTO rules.........we will be fine with them again.

Unfortunately there are 45 years of EU laws and regulations to unwind as well as some important collaboration agreements. I would be more impressed with Davies and Boris if they came out with their alternative white paper. They have been on the inside from the beginning and Boris is a writer. Put your ideas clearly down on paper and publish. Carping from the sidelines doesn't impress, without good alternatives.
As for Mandelson, he has a consulting company but refuses to names his clients. What are the odds that there are one or two financial service companies among them. While he can no doubt recognise a spatchcock when he sees one, I would take his concerns on other matters with a pinch of salt. Especially given his former friends and employment. He is very talented but has always had his own agenda.