Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

You lost the argument when you brought up Soros Hilary. I suspect the majority of people are furious with what has been going on and a revote would have an even bigger majority to leave. But that is not going to happen. The EU Withdrawal Bill is now law.

Soros...........please dont mention that complete #$@$'s name.

Russian meddling in the US election........ ???

Soros meddling in how many countries..... ??? He is the worst of the very worst in my view.

I'll settle for no deal and keeping our money.

I reckon that's what Boris and co will aim for now too and the only way May will pass anything is ith the support of Labour.

And put the barbed wire and barriers up again at Dover.

(To stop the brits getting out or other Europeans getting in?)

The good old days of 1939!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqtaoz4QFX8


Dafter and dafter!

My Mum and Dad were on the cliffs watching Dunkirk unfold from a distance at the start of the war.....euhhh...during the war.....

Brexit should simply be : trading with Europe and partners....but we choose what to participate in within reason....not just signing up to everything the European parliament wants us to.....

Why do Remoaners always associate leaving the EU with putting up barbed wire etc... ?

All that happens is we are no longer part of the EU. We can sign a trade agreement with China and the US and Canada and India and anywhere else, on our own terms.

We can buy goods from outside the EU without immediate 30% EU tariff........ so loads of things are going to get much cheaper.

In case its not been noticed the majority of the worlds population is outside the EU........being able to make trade deals with the majority and not locked into a corrupt EU is great.

9220. Dad was looking the other way rf. From the beach at Dunkirk towards the cliffs. He entered France in September 39 and came out in June 40 on a blood-stained collier. Like the match last night, it all started well.

Theresa,

You are OK.

The cabinet is behind you!

The Chequers Brexit compromise offers the worst of both worlds

Peter Mandelson

Sat 14 Jul 2018 20.59 BST


This half-in, half-out option will meet an abject fate


When I first looked at what had been agreed on Brexit at Chequers, I thought the plan would please nobody, but that the public might conclude that these proposals represent the best available.

In reality, it’s a spatchcocked, half-in, half-out plan and the business response was frustration: it is better trade news for goods but a disappointing hard Brexit for services. Those who voted to “take back control” were more vitriolic: it is an attempt to remain close to Europe, full of concessions and compromises, and therefore a million miles from what they expected.



In Brussels on the day of the white paper’s publication, I met officials on the British and EU sides, as well as the Irish, and found a desire to debate its content seriously. For the last two years Theresa May has elevated sovereignty over trade and she seemed to be making a timely correction, as well as reaffirming her Irish border commitment.

But as I returned home, my earlier doubts resurfaced. This plan neither allows us to receive the economic benefits of being fully inside the EU’s trade perimeter nor will it give us the freedom to market ourselves independently to the rest of the world. It is a halfway house that will leave us hanging by a thread, subject to the EU’s rules – whatever they are in future – with no say in their formulation.


More:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/14/chequers-compromise-brexit-worst-of-of-both-worlds-peter-mandelson

No Deal is now the preferred option of many.

Merkel and the others will only get serious about a deal when they are told in no uncertain terms we are going to walk away with no deal.

Then they will panic, then they will try to compromise.

But we should walk away regardless......back to WTO rules on trade. We were fine before the EEC with WTO rules.........we will be fine with them again.

Unfortunately there are 45 years of EU laws and regulations to unwind as well as some important collaboration agreements. I would be more impressed with Davies and Boris if they came out with their alternative white paper. They have been on the inside from the beginning and Boris is a writer. Put your ideas clearly down on paper and publish. Carping from the sidelines doesn't impress, without good alternatives.
As for Mandelson, he has a consulting company but refuses to names his clients. What are the odds that there are one or two financial service companies among them. While he can no doubt recognise a spatchcock when he sees one, I would take his concerns on other matters with a pinch of salt. Especially given his former friends and employment. He is very talented but has always had his own agenda.

Nicked from across the road, h/t to MT.



Tory rebels set up WhatsApp plot to thwart Theresa May's Brexit plan



By Christopher Hope, Chief Political Correspondent
15 July 2018 • 5:30pm



Eurosceptics have set up a “party within a party” with a highly organised whipping operation among Tory Eurosceptic MPs to try to frustrate Theresa May’s Brexit plans.

The news threatens to blow wide open the frustrations within the Conservative Party about Theresa May’s Chequers plan for trading with the European Union after Brexit.

The news has emerged on the day that Brandon Lewis, the party Chairman, and Gavin Barwell, the Prime Minister’s Chief of Staff, hosted a conference call with senior members of the voluntary party to gauge the mood among the grassroots about the Brexit proposals.

More than 100 Eurosceptic Tory MPs are now on a WhatsApp group co-ordinated by former Brexit minister...



https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/07/15/eurosceptic-tory-mps-set-party-within-party-whipping-operation/

If the above has got any legs, it's all over for treeza.

9229 - and what do they hope to achieve? ........ suicidal and opening the door wide for the labour party who want to remain; so totally bonkers, but hey ho

Can't quite remember, but wasn't it a typical tory idiot who got the UK into the mess which it is in.

I think it was one of the pillars of torysm?

A spiv like Farage or was it a choir boy icon Cameron?

It may be an interesting week watching the rats trying to leave a sinking boat and blame everyone other than themselves for their failures.

Dilbert,

How many days till the UK decide to stay in the EU?

:o)

https://order-order.com/

Presumably the other 40 something % of Daily Mirror readers didn't know who or what the Prime Minister is???