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hilary - 31 Dec 2003 13:00

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hilary - 17 Dec 2007 11:16 - 9253 of 11056

That's exactly what I'm saying, CC. It's on MetaTrader that it does it. I chopped in my Sharescope a few years ago when they introduced setsmm and I all but stopped trading stocks.

It might have something to do with them taking their daily close at midnight whereas others take their close at 10pm. As a result they have 6 daily candlesticks each week instead of 5.

CC - 17 Dec 2007 11:26 - 9254 of 11056

If I connect the march lows of 2006 to the august 2007 then it goes through 2.0250 as you suggest

If I connect the march lows of 2007 to aug 2007 then I get 2.0125 ish which is what is supplying support at the moment I guess

hilary - 17 Dec 2007 11:28 - 9255 of 11056

Incidentally, my hourlies for EUR/JPY suggest that 162.34 might be the low of the downleg since last Wednesday evening.

mg - 17 Dec 2007 11:37 - 9256 of 11056

The 20145 has triggered and I've moved my stop up to entry.

Dil - 17 Dec 2007 13:16 - 9257 of 11056

Sorry Seymour been in meetings all morning.

They highlight normally the best trade but comment on all the majors. I'll foward it to your MAM email.

Dil - 17 Dec 2007 13:37 - 9258 of 11056

Sent 2 mails to your MAM account.

Seymour Clearly - 17 Dec 2007 14:01 - 9259 of 11056

Thanks Dil, got it & replied, just back from lunch.

mg - 17 Dec 2007 18:06 - 9260 of 11056

I finally close the long from 45 for 70 - not sure if it might turn around here.

CC - 18 Dec 2007 09:21 - 9261 of 11056

Is the carry trade relationship breaking down with the huge amounts of liquidity being pumped into the system?
Are the central banks being conned and instead of borrowing on the carry trade the borrowing is taking place in the home currency?

Attached chart shows gbpjpy to ukx relationship has become odd indeed since late November. gbpjpy has hardly changed depsite a big move both up and down on ftse.

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As you can guess I shorted gbpjpy when the ftse index was up at about 240 yet I'm only about 50pips up. Wondering what I should do as if the index starts moving up I could lose the 50pips I do have.

hilary - 18 Dec 2007 09:26 - 9262 of 11056

EUR/JPY and GBP/JPY are starting an upleg on the 1-hour chart imo. I wouldn't want to be short (I've been fillinmemanolos long since yesterday), but wdik?

hilary - 18 Dec 2007 09:41 - 9263 of 11056

Btw, regarding the correlation between the geppy carry and the FTSE, a peek back at the weeklies to 2000 will show geppy enjoying a straight ride up since October 2000 whereas the FTSE was in decline from then and only started its recovery when Dubbya went into Iraq.

The third side of the triangle is represented by fixed income securities (bonds) which is where the carry trade money was landing between 2000 and 2003. I'd suggest that the strength in equity markets despite the weakness in sterling since the MPC cut in interest rates a few weeks ago has been as a result of money flowing out of the bond markets.

CC - 18 Dec 2007 20:14 - 9264 of 11056

Hilary,
If you want to get rid of the Sunday ticks on Metatrader you need to download metatrader from a broker where they have the clock set to gmt +2 hours as then the Sunday ticks go into the Monday bar.

FXDD offer gmt+3 hours so there are no Sunday bars but i'm not sure what knock-on problems this may cause

Seymour Clearly - 18 Dec 2007 23:44 - 9265 of 11056

I'm ever so pleased you're long EUR JPY Hils, I was yesterday but the curse of the tight stop hit me again - will I never learn!! Anyway, have gone back in again with a wider stop, mainly on the basis of this chart. I also thought when we were up around 165 that it was a short so did .... nothing.

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hilary - 19 Dec 2007 07:14 - 9266 of 11056

I hate to say this, Seymour, but I offloaded my Yen positions yesterday afternoon based on the dottie line on the M30 hitting 100, as the H1 hadn't really got going by that stage and I figured that a pullback towards the Monday low would quite probably give another entry lower down.

Nice idea, CC. The Sunday bars don't actually bother me as such, but I did wonder if it might be their presence which was causing the cable trendline to perform weirdly.

Seymour Clearly - 19 Dec 2007 07:29 - 9267 of 11056

No worries Hil, I also took my money off last night after posting that, with the same idea of a lower entry.

hilary - 19 Dec 2007 07:44 - 9268 of 11056

Well done, Seymour. I'm sure you understand where I'm coming from here, but if the dottie line on H1 had already passed up through 50 by the time that the faster charts (M1, M5, M15) started to pull back then I would probably have left the positions open. As it was, the H1 dottie line had only made it up to about 45 or so and, as such, was susceptible to failure.

I'm still inclined to think that the Monday low (162.35 or something) is likely to hold as support, but I can see it getting back down towards that area today for a retest.

I hope that helps you understand my logic. I'm still targetting that chopper ride for you.

:o)

CC - 19 Dec 2007 09:08 - 9269 of 11056

I wonder if the 6 bars on mt4 on the daily is screwing up some of the readings on some of the indicators like rsi as well as I get different values depending on where i've downloaded mt4 from. I suspect it's affecting the H4 charts as well.

Seymour Clearly - 27 Dec 2007 22:32 - 9270 of 11056

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CC - 01 Jan 2008 13:59 - 9271 of 11056

Happy new year to you all.

It’s been 7 weeks now since I started to learn how to trade FX and hard work it has been. Things haven’t panned out the way I planned and in particular I haven’t been able to devote the time I would have liked.

In January I would like to make some paper pips in the first 2 weeks and some real money in the second 2 weeks. I hope this is possible as time is starting to run out for me now before I have to find another source of income.


There are basically 4 things I am now absolutely sure about with FX.
1. only ever trade with the longer term trend
2. the best entries are pullbacks once the longer term trend has been established.
3. you need a system which includes strong money management rules
4. you need discipline to follow your system

None of these are anything new to anyone but I feel if I can get these 4 things right 100% of the time I will start to make solid progress.


Below is the chart of my system.

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Much of it is taken from http://www.babypips.com/blogs/pip-my-system/so_youve_finished_the_school_o.html

It is a trend following system. I have backtested the babypips system for the first 3 weeks of January and I’m satisfied that in principle it can turn a profit. However, it is clearly oversimplistic in some ways, particuarly in profit taking which I have attempted to address.

The long term trend is established from H4. If 5ema is above 10ema, 9rsi is above 50 and 10,3,3stochs are heading up then the long term trend is up. So, I would only be looking for longs on M15.
I enter a long trade close to the end of the relevant candle once I am assured that
1. when the candle closes the 5ema will have crossed the 10ema
2. 9rsi>50
3. 10,3,3 stochs heading up and not greater than 80
4. macd crosses from negative to positive in the same candle or is negative and rising and looks like it has a decent chance of going positive

no trades will be opened within half an hour of news events or in the candle of the news event.

For cable stops are placed initially at the most recent swing high/low or 43 pips whichever is smaller.
Stops will be moved up as new swing high/lows occur. As soon as the trade is 20pips in profit the stop will be moved up to lock in 1 pip. After that a stop will be trailed at 30 pips until the trade is 100 pips in profit at which point it will be trailed 40 pips unless there is a swing high/low closer to the market price. If the trade goes convincingly through a candle at 50 or 100 the stop will be moved to 45 or 95 unless the trade has been entered close to this level in which case this rule is ignored for the first 50 or 100 level.

Profit take occurs when either macd crosses in the opposite direction or the trade fails to complete a candle at the 50 or 100 level in which case closure will take place at about 45 or 95 unless the trade has been placed close to the first 50 or 100 level in which case this rule is ignored.
In addition 50% of the trade would be closed if R2 or S2 is reached. Another 25% closed at R3 or S3.

For clarification on my chart above, worse case is I’d have been long today at 1.9995 and maybe a few pips better as I would hopefully have anticipated the successful close of the candle. My stop would have been at 1.9954 I would have got stopped out at 2.0033 after trailing the stop 30 pips from the peak at 2.0063

The other indicators on my chart (psar, trend lines are just there for research - I am thinking that the psar can perhaps get in into the trade a big sooner or at worst it seems good confirmation of the trade). The thin dotted dark blue line shows the direction on H4. I am also watching a 34ema on M5 to see if this helps me keep in the trade. I would like to take the 34ema off my M5 and plot it onto M15 but I don’t know how


I am going to demo trade this on cable and eurusd for the next week or so but what I wondered is if people think this might work in the real world. I’d be grateful for any views at all as this month I have to make some real progress.
Is this system worth persuing?
If so what else should I be thinking about to improve it?
I feel that the rules for determining the long term trend are lacking. Particuarly at the end of the long term trend where there might be opportunities none appear with this system. Today for example the rules have kept me out of catching falling knifes which is fantastic but no opportunity for a short has been thrown up. Should I perhaps be watching the H1 as well or looking more closely at the slope of the trend on H4?
I am wondering whether the concept of negative divergence would help. I just about understand this but am still finding it difficult to apply in real time. Is it worth my time to understand this well enough so that I can apply it in real time as easily as say RSI? I strongly need something to tell me there is danger afoot and the long term trend could be coming to an end – would this help?
The profit take rules are the most difficult part. I am finding it hard to get a good balance between leaving enough room on the stop so that I don’t get whipsawed out and actually taking profit before the stop is employed. There seem to be millions of systems out there on how to enter your trade but the discussion on take profit seems sadly lacking.

I should say that I am now sure that my trading psychology seems to suit M15 and M30 pretty well as it gives me time to think. I am also pretty happy with the idea of only a couple of trades a day. I really cannot see much chance of me succeeding on M5 as the spread and the whipsaws are prohibitive until I can trade in whole lots. I am also too indecisive for trading on this timeframe. I also seem well suited to trading H4 and have actually found it easy to just sit in trades for days on end with my demo money. My demo account is up over the last month on H4 but I’m not sure yet whether that’s luck or skill. I’m just using trendlines and overbought/oversold indicators for this. Profit take rules seem to be the biggest problem here.

Sorry for such a long post. As you can see there's a million things buzzing round my head but I don't know what to do or where to go with most of them

CC - 02 Jan 2008 18:10 - 9272 of 11056

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2 trades today marked by the vertical red lines.

first trade short at 1.9861. stopped out on trailing stop at 1.9921. result +40

second trade short at 1.9832. candle failed to convincingly close below 1.9800 on the green candle 2 periods later so took profit at 1.9810. result +22.


On both occasions the when the candle hit the 1.9800 it did so early in the 15 minute period and spiked up badly for me so I was not able to close close to the 1.9800 area. In the first case stochastics had hooked up and in the second they looked at the time like they were about to do so as well. However, stochs can remain overbought/sold for a long period so I am not sure if is a good indicator in the long run for an exit.
S1 was 1.9799 today. given that 1.9800 was at a round number and always going to see some price action I think I should have exited half there.

Off to research how often S1,S2 and S3 are hit on an average day on cable to see if this would give a better dimension to the take profit rules.


there was a potential trade on eurusd today as well but it was voided because it occured in the news candle. Entry would have been at long 1.4704 and a stop would now be in at 1.4717. Given the nature of the candle and how obvious it was that it was going to close as a valid trade the entry could possibly have been 10-15 pips earlier. Going to stick to not trading the news candle for the moment and monitor the outcome on similar events
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