Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Dil, I think in the end there will be a very simple trade deal which means the UK pays the divorce payment and in return gets a simple trade deal with no strings attached.

However the EU is going to push it to the brink to try to stop Brexit........the coming months are important, the push for a 2nd vote will be sponsored by all and sundry from outside the UK - trying to stop Brexit.

But if the UK holds firm to the end, then a simple trade deal will happen - which is what Leave wants.

Not going to be easy to get there - lots of non-UK funds are pouring in now to support another vote and derail Brexit.

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Sums it up!

Mary Berry for PM!

This woman is a genius. We want Brexit to be a "piece of cake" and this is surely the lady to do it for us.

83 yr old Mary Berry playing the drums with Rick Astley at the Dorset Festival on the 27th July

We are being sold down Brexit river

WELL, the Governor of the Bank of England has said it and about time too. Mark Carney has made plain to a committee of MPs that the damage to the other 27 nations of the EU if our Brexit negotiations finally crash in ruins will be infinitely worse than the damage to Britain.



By Frederick Forsyth

PUBLISHED: 07:15, Fri, Jul 27, 2018 | UPDATED: 07:43, Fri, Jul 27, 2018

https://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/frederick-forsyth/994992/brexit-no-deal-mark-carney-eu-members-worse-off-than-britain

At the core of this danger is neither the efforts of the traitorous fifth column at the heart of the British establishment which has been working assiduously for two years to deny their choice to a clear majority of the British, nor the bumbling incompetence of the team around Theresa May (at her own appointment, by the way).

It is the adamantine attitude of EU team chief Michel Barnier who may well not even grant the terms of the Chequers plan, scuttle though it is.

The Eurocrats care not a fig for the ensuing damage of their arrogance. Euro-manufacturers, businessmen, craftsmen and workers may be made redundant or bankrupt.

They don't care, cushioned as they are by massive salaries, luxury suites and limos at the door. All that will go on - for them.

Surely we should use the long, hot summer to out-manoeuvre them.

Send a skilled emissary to talk to every premier of the 27 and explain, with proof, the nature of the damage that faces them all if we, with our huge purchasing power, are forced to turn away from Europe and shop elsewhere.

I have said before and it is daily confirmed by our own commercial giants, that the world is avid to increase trade with us - and that can only diminish EU trade.

For far too long the snowflakes and saboteurs at the top of our society have been downplaying our huge strengths in world terms - our trillions in invested assets, ingenuity, engineering skills, inventiveness and financial expertise.


We have absolutely no need to go cap in hand to anyone on this earth.

We have the capacity to trade freely with five continents, not one, and the other four are gagging for us to turn towards them as, 40 years ago, we turned away from them on the grounds - now plainly mistaken - that future prosperity for our people lay in absorption into the EU.

Back then no one told us of the subordination which would become an inseparable part of that absorption and which we voted to end two years ago.

If anyone suggested that he or she disagreed with the outcome of a general election that impudent fool would be laughed out of court.


Yet a national referendum is a general election in all but two particulars. One still question and one constituency is a referendum.

Well, the question was put and we answered it.

So how come a fifth column of politicians and civil servants, wholly living off our taxes, dependent for every mouthful of food and the roofs over their heads on our money, are allowed to work night and day to deprive us of what we want?

Anyone is entitled to work for what they hold to be desirable provided they pay their own way in the world. But bureaucrats are our servants, yet thousands daily work against us and our chosen future.


The reason Theresa May will never be forgiven is that she has very clearly preferred to surround herself with this fifth column and allowed them to create a template that, if activated, would see us on our hands and knees for ever.

Talk of "hard Brexit" and "soft Brexit" is pointless. All we ever wanted was a fair Brexit - a formula for British-EU cohabitation based on common sense, mutual benefit and goodwill.

All three qualities are present on this island but constantly undermined by a powerful minority in high office.

Where, oh where, is the Churchill or Thatcher with the guts to come to office and start the cleansing of the Augean stables that now constitute the way our land is run?

The man required to do this job is patiently waiting in the wings and just biding his time to be given a chance. Meanwhile, his supporters have been amassing a £750,000 war chest to help him gain his eventually needed additional support.

First, we have to kick our present lady PM into the long grass and then he will politely appear.

And if you don't do it soon, he may change direction and go on to become the next Pope.

Burnley could do with a fit keeper.

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Media ramping it up to 11.

Let the public have their say.

That's democracy.

https://news.sky.com/story/public-opinion-is-shifting-sharply-against-brexit-sky-data-poll-reveals-11453220

Especially when represented by May's crowd who don't even know the details of the own family. Leave alone the country.

Jeremy Hunt tells Chinese hosts his wife is Japanese - when she's actually from China



https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-hunt-tells-chinese-hosts-his-wife-is-japanese-when-shes-actually-from-china-11454017

What a shower of a tory government.

i received a very good and interesting little video from a buddy of mine put out by Libertarian TV and narrated by Vladimir Boukovsky

it makes interesting listening even if you don't subscribe to his views - and of course do not have blocked mind and ears

Fred1new [Send an email to Fred1new] [View Fred1new's profile] - 30 Jul 2018 11:43 - 9270 of 9271

Let the public have their say.

That's democracy.

https://news.sky.com/story/public-opinion-is-shifting-sharply-against-brexit-sky-data-poll-reveals-11453220
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Give me the media for 6 months and I'll get over 80% leave, if paid enough I'll make it over 80% remain.

People had their say, democracy gave us leave - that is decided. Given we chose to depart, the question is:

The UK is leaving the EU -

Leave accepting the deal

Leave with no deal


Cheers,
KidA

The UK votes out "crooked" governments every 5years.

Times up for this tory government and reversal of its policies.

Another referendum is more and more likely.

As is violence.

Theresa May surrenders important red lines:

http://uk.businessinsider.com/theresa-may-surrenders-her-brexit-red-line-on-taking-back-control-from-eu-judges-2018-7

She reminds me a little of the bowler who once said, "I'll bowl him a piano. Let's see if he can play that."

What a pathetic negotiator this lady is. She is making me so very angry.

She is so rubbish at 'Brexit' she will lose the next election and put Corbyn and his leftie mates in power for sure. I really want her out now and completely got rid of.

Exec,

She is the only hope the tory party has.

Unless you want the undertaker Rees Mogg, or stab in the back Boris for your next leader.

Dil would vote for them with you.

Don't get angry, Doc. Life's too short, and I wouldn't want you to blow a gasket and be unable to vote in the second referendum.

:o)

Fwiw, I think Brexit started to go wrong on 25th June 2016. Instead of triggering Article 50 on that day, as he should have done, and as the majority who voted for Brexit expected him to do, Cameron chose instead to resign.

Never believed in god, but thank god Cameron retired.

Now we want another tory incompetent to step up and say Brexit was a mistake.

What is needed is to spell out what the probable effects of Brexit will be, hold a general election and have another referendum with the information "clearly" exhibited.

We don't really want to commit suicide, although I wouldn't stop a few from trying to do so.

I suggest Dil for PM and Cynic as a foreign minister.

A general election ????

Do you not get that both the labour and tory party hold diverse views within them - what good would a general election be?

ff so you can walk in front of either of them with your placard.

Maybe Vince's new party would be a better choice for you.

Economic growth in Euro area of only 0.3% in last quarter. It really isn't in any position to make matters worse by creating difficulties with the UK. Factory orders in Germany have fallen for the 4th month in a row.
As for a second referendum or another election, they are not going to happen. Corbyn is more keen than May to quit the EU.