This board has been a little to quiet for while.

Is it time that Bush and Blair who is a close friend and confidant of Bush were tried for War Crimes?

Do you think the use by the American Administrations of renditions are War Crimes and committed with full knowledge of American and British leaders ie. Blair and Bush and they are ultimately responsible?

Also in the aftermath of the illegal invasion of Iraq are should their action seen to be as the provocation for the rising toll of British, American and Iraqi deaths.

As a result of the military intervention in Iraq do you think you are safer in Britain to-day?

Do you think one should expect government leaders and ministers who have been responsible for massive foreseeable casualties should visit the hospitals to meet the casualties they have produced directly or indirectly by their actions?

I take your only knowledge of what going on is from the the bias reports from TV. It will take time, the killing still going on including the attacks on troops is being done by extremists from outside iraq, who dislike the idea of a democray in thier part of the world.
The Iraqi people themselves will realize that they can control thier own country, and will kick the insurgents out themselves. Building a country cannot be done overnight, once the infrastucture is in place and the people begin to see the benifits, they will take ownership of there own contry and destiny.
The killing will stop -

The extremists of one period are often the heroes of another. Other nations which have smaller forces than Britain and are prepared to mind their own business, but still prepared to defend their own borders. Having satellites state or equivalents in outlandish states ie. Falklands, Gibraltar as examples does little for Britain in the long run.

Gun boat diplomacy and mind set is becoming more and more a feature of the the past. If there was a national force prepared for "disaster" scenarios and international aid deliverance it would be more worthwhile and long term rewarding for Britain.

This does not reduce my wish for a United Nations Armed Police or Response force
capable of responding to situation similar to Dar fur and even Iraq, Afghanistan I think it is different where America supplied in the past much of the armaments and know how to the Taliban. These are now being used against "west".

I take it your from bury your head in the sand and the ignore the world camp.

The fact that the US provided the weapons in the first place, incidently so did we, surelt makes it all the more important that correct that.

If we have a UN police force, how do u restrict there use. Do we have another bosnia, where troops are forced to watch on as women and children die because they have a mandate which says they cannot interfere?
There is a fine line but it has to be drawn.

the killing in iraq is not just from the outside. saddams clan were a minority clan/race/religion and ruled by fear and are fighting hard to protect their corner (rightly or wrongly). The majority are fighting back. No, i do more than just watch the tele. Did everyone know one of bushes best friends (dick cheney) company has built a pipe line across Afghanistan??

3254, I sugest you re-read my previous submission and the think about its content, rather than respond with knee jerk type reactions, which you seem to wish and the present administration of America and Britain seem to enact.

Sorry for the delay in my reply Kivver, but i needed to check some facts and needed to get the information from Iraq. This is so it has not been tampered with by any press or politician.
The following are figs in % of active insurgents for the basra area. The percentages are of activists currently involved or have been killed or injured.

Baath party - 16%
Mehdi Army Militia - 8%
Al Zarqawi Network - 23%
Ansar Al-Islam - 14%
Al Qaeda - 7%

All the above operate from outside the country including the Baath. They do have individuals living locally. These tend to be arrested and therefore the tendancy is not to live locally but to travel.

Mujajedin-e-Khalq - 8%
PKK - 8%
Ashbal Saddam - 4% ( tend to be children apparently they are easier to brainwash)
Fedayeen Saddam - 5.5%
Hizbollah - 4.5%
Others 2%

Although I cannot name my source or his regiment I can reveal that he works in the military itelligence services and these are as close to being accurate as he could.

So do Americans and British.

the problem this giv'nt has and the previous and no doubt the next is that they are intent on running the NHS, police,education, etc as a BUSINESS.
This is because the majority of their 'advisors' etc are from the private sector. also they see the private sector and think ooooh they seem to work efficiently. what they fail to grasp is that the NHS, POLICE etc are not out to make a profit or show a return of some kind. They provide a service and don't offer savings/dividends to shareholders for cutting corners/taking risks . setting targets for nhs/police/education is therefore self fulfilling prophecy, that the 'business' community use as ammunition to show how much more efficient the private sector is.
Get a kidney transplant at the 'Mcdonalds' sponsored hospital, the removed item is then pan fried in a balsamic red wine sauce and served to you on a bed of chicory leaves. Hoews that for service and cost saving.

And a sight tastier than the cardboard they usually serve.

The problem with having private involvement in services such as the health service is that any money saved by efficiency is not ploughed back into raising the standards of the service itself but into the company's pocket and out of the service. The "efficiency" often ends with pressures on other areas which do not have their financing increased.
Also the "efficiency saving" does not lead to improvement of care or other standards necessary for such services to be long term benefit for the users of those services.

But the main problem with the NHS at the moment is the constant "beneficial changes" and leading to demoralising of and subsequent apathy of staff.

It is like a headless chicken managed by headless politicians and managements.


I do hope people will be satisfied with taking their children 50 miles to the nearest Aand E department after an accident or serious rapid onset illness.

By the way how did we ramble onto the NHS from the original topic. Unless we think it is time the Bs are incarcerated in one of the Psychiatric Units.

No room. Too full of people who think either 911 was a put up job, or we could have left Iraq alone and it would all have got better on its own.

Popular mechanics 9/11 shill slated on prime time radio show

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/cat_911.html

H6, How do you know? Were you just visiting or receiving treatment?

Researching why people think that way.

your all a figment of my imagination.

Fred,

He was visting his imaginary friend.

tweenie, can you please imagine a suitable cliff and fall for a few people.

Awww. Isn't he cute.
Its lovely to have your own personal stalker. imagine being so devoted to someone that you have nothing else on your mind all day long other than to follow him around, hanging on his every word, and making yourself look silly for his amusement, with no regard at all to everyone laughing.
If he didn't do it, I'd probably have to employ someone to do it, its just so chic to have a stalker. all the celebs have them.
Thanks, Aldwickk.

be glad it is'nt the other way round....you'd be locked up for grooming.
;-)