Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

It's quite amazing all these people in authority telling us how bad leaving would be , not one got the BALLS to tell us what they will accomplish if we vote out , apparently they aren't capable of that scenario , just sucking up to EU dreamers .

that's not fair at all

there are very strong arguments for staying, effectively a known open market and ongoing economic stability and all that attaches to that

the downside of the above is the ever increasing influence of (undemocratic) brussels legislation, slow absorption into a federal europe whether we like it or not, and unencumbered free movement into uk for the ever growing population of "the club"

No your post 918 is far from nutty ,i really believe that if we leave Europe collapses within a few years or sooner and it would be the best thing that could happen.

What's fair got to do with it , the EU is a mess .

cynic your post 929 gives every reason to leave !!

at least it was balanced - i think

Why does everything have to balanced , are the stayers in any way balanced they are probably lying their socks off .

You would hardly call Fred and Stan balanced would you ,one's a drunk and neither will vote even though they hate Britain.

if you're dyed-in-wool either-camp, it matters not, but if you want to compare facts insofar as one can, then balanced views are much more persuasive

jimmy there's a guy called Vernon Colman who said in 2011 that Ted Heath took us into Europe illegally , he's written a lot on the EU go to his site Vernon Coleman .

Grannyboy

Go read EU notice 812 all will be explained.
UK will not get this deal.
Don't take my word, go read about it

will10 we will not have open borders if we vote leave ,just wait and see.

VIC i am trawling through Vernon Colman's site don't let Fred see it ,he will jump off a bridge .

jimmyb

Fair enough, we will also not have open access to the single market if we leave.
Do you seriously think our leaving will suddenly mean migrants will give up at Calais and go elsewhere? Doubt it, France will let them on to the ferries and we can sort it out our side.

Grannyboy

To save you the effort of looking it up. Turkey has special EU access because it is an associate member, negotiating membership.
The reason I am sure we will not get the same deal for free access to the EU market is that we voted to leave.

i think my favoured result would be a close call with "stay" just shading it ...... so i shall vote "out"

it's a slim hope, but i hope such a result would start a major shake-up with more and more of the public across all member states demanding more and more accountability and general democracy across the board

it is that that would force the change, not the cosy, internal 10-year chit-chat that actually achieves bugger all

France will let them on to the ferries and we can sort it out our side.
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will you do talk rubbish ,so a few hundred migrants storm the ferry and the Captain just sails does he ? don't be so utterly ridiculous , yes the odd few will make it in trucks (and international trucking was my business for years so i know all about that)
France will not push hundreds on to ferries ,your sounding like Cameron. dream on .

the ferry companies would face hefty fines for allowing passengers on board without correct paperwork

Recent poll shows 53% of French would like EU referendum.

Jimmyb

If you actually read what I wrote.
I didn't say France would push them on to the ferries, don't be so dramatic.
We currently pay a big chunk to France to help hold migrants on their side. When we leave France will just let any migrants that want make their own way across.
I met someone that swim most of the way and was picked up by our coastguard just in time. He is now seeking to stay.
As far as migrants trying to get here, there is no evidence we will be any better off out. They will still want to get here. Of course some off the EU migrants that we would benefit from are also stopped getting here.

But I did say way back, I'm voting In on economics, only 50 50 on EU politics.

and i wonder how many dutch and germans and spanish and others?
probably an awful lot, but they are currently stifled

my fond hope is that the uk referendum, whatever the result, will provide the impetus to open up a whole pandora's box (yes, i chose that intentionally) for the "cosy clique"