Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

A general election ????

Do you not get that both the labour and tory party hold diverse views within them - what good would a general election be?

ff so you can walk in front of either of them with your placard.

Maybe Vince's new party would be a better choice for you.

Economic growth in Euro area of only 0.3% in last quarter. It really isn't in any position to make matters worse by creating difficulties with the UK. Factory orders in Germany have fallen for the 4th month in a row.
As for a second referendum or another election, they are not going to happen. Corbyn is more keen than May to quit the EU.

Brexit

Definition: The undefined being negotiated by the unprepared in order to get the unspecified for the uninformed.

Which one is Dil?

Who were Remain? A single party? A single group? Was there agreement on what would be renegotiated/direction? What was the timescale for change?

Do you reckon Sky News is being financed by Soros? Every time I happen to look at it, it seems to be having a knock at Brexit. The deep state is alive and very busy. That includes that ludicrous definition of Brexit that Exec put up. I wonder who came up with that piece of sneering twaddle. May has made it clear: Brexit means Brexit. :(

Doc,

"Brexit Definition: The undefined being negotiated by the unprepared in order to get the unspecified for the uninformed. "

That sounds very much like a realisation that you've been lied to?

Iturama,

"Do you reckon Sky News is being financed by Soros?"

I did warn you months ago that Soros was a serious threat to Brexit. Are you attending any of his events this summer?

"May has made it clear: Brexit means Brexit."

The only thng clear to Maggie Dismay is that she doesn't have a Commons majority, her party is divided, and there's a vote coming up in the autumn which she might not get through.

Didn't she also say something once about delivering 'stong and stable government'? Ooops. That went t!ts up.

Dil,

How many days now till you decide to stay?

:o)

The simple fact is :

During the referendum the majority of the people voted to leave the EU.

The is the very definition of democracy.

To hold a 2nd vote, a remoaners vote (sorry peoples vote).......... it simply tells the world that the UK no longer believes in democracy and will hold rigged elections until a certain minority gets the result they want.

I suggest the remoaners look to Mugabe or other "elected" leaders to learn how to rig votes and get their way....................


The vote is done - its over. Embrace the result. The UK is leaving the EU - and if its no deal, then its no deal - no divorce payment - bye bye - and hello Rest of the World.

So if 80% of the population has reviewed their position and decision at the time of the last referendum or election their wishes have to be ignored because of a previous decision.

If they thought of committing suicide they have no right to change their minds.

UMMMH.

I am glad I have never made any mistakes.

Hilary, my theory is that Sky are being nice to you Europeans in the hope that you stop throwing cups of pee at Chris Froome. Must be difficult down there with the Brits dominating the Tour.
As for May, maybe would have been a better name. Even our constituency chairman has told her to man up.

EU observers in Zimbabwe, Channel 4 reporting on fake news, the Church investigating child abuse...

P 9290
Being a Remoaner you surmise that the majority of those who have 'reviewed their position and decision' are Leavers, that may not be the case.

Talking of Remoaners I see your bible has an interesting article that has them in a panic.

As the majority of voters voted to Leave the EU, how the Elite, the Luvvies and the Democracy hating Remainers have the temerity to call their campaign the People's Vote, just goes to show what they think of the average joe and democracy.

"So if 80% of the population"

The suicide is the vote, deciding to or not is the debate before the vote.

Fred1new.

Everyone knew that the result would be the result.

You cannot keep chopping and changing your mind. The vote happened, the majority spoke, now its to be actioned.

There is no evidence anyone has changed their mind or opinion. Of course the Remoaners will come out with Fake Polls suggesting everything is in their favour, but thats just BS.

I seem to remember polls saying Trump would never win the USA election, and that the Tories would not be elected first time (they were) and second time would be a landslide for the Tories (it was not).

Quote simply, opinion polls are highly inaccurate.........the only true answer is the voting........and the voting has happened.

The UK voted to leave, and leave it will - Deal or No Deal.

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I admire your certainty.

If you are right, the main difference will be for the general UK public, is that the UK will be waiting and serving at the table, but not able to choose the menu.

Mind it will probably help for some to lose weight.

However, it is as feasible, T Maybe may lose a vote of confidence, or the HP reject the "said deal".

Then at General Election and a party with a suitable manefesto rejecting Brexit may be elected.

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I seem to remember a tory chap called Chamberlain coming back from Europe clutching a piece of paper and claiming Peace in Our Time.

He, like his policies and agreements, were rejected.

We will see.

I not sure that "anyone" though the leavers would win.... many in power were telling us how badly thing would become and we even had Obams over to give us a kicking.
The one think the English don't like is being told what to do when it is clearly one-sided.
No-one knew what would happen after a Leave-Vote... so all those voices in the Parliament/City were giving an opinion at best... and maybe ( but I can't know), it was directly influenced by their employment prospects; maybe in some cushy EU-position when their time came.
We had been told how to Vote and 17m didn't like it. Those that accepted our "Betters" knew something we couldn't, may have swayed some . . . but for my penny-worth the majority in Parliament / HoL are there for purely Political reasons - and doing very nicely at the same time.
If ever there was a need for a "Peoples' Party" whose look at public spending and value-for money (possibly using crowd opinions???), the existing system would be shown up for what it is.
Historically, it has been the best system in the World - but that doesn't mean it can't be moved a little as new things develop.

I just wish the folks in charge of negotiations were keen enough to have voted "leave" - or withheld their vote, until their constituents had voted. As it is we appear to have negotiators who are on the other side . That's why it's taken so long to get nowhere. . . . or have I missed reality?

I think many who voted for Brexit were fed up with the effects of "austerity", and having their aspirations or "expectancies" dashed for 6 years or so. Also was the seeming in general of a general lack of direction of their "betters" (elite) in "power". (ie. Cameron and henchman Osborne.)

They wanted to kick the betters in the arse and show their discontent.

UKIP and other "Brexiters" also scapegoated the "immigrants" (not the Jews this time) and pandered to emotion by giving many a reason to "revolt against" the problem of "immigration" without evaluating the advantages of such.

(When the Italians came to Wales in the 30s the result was decent coffee shops.)

The majority did not foresee the complications or the consequences of leaving the EU.

My guess is that I and my family will ride the consequences of any "brexit" without any problems, but many members of UK public will suffer an unnecessary deterioration in the possible quality of their lives over the next 10years if it occurs.

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(Have a thought about Northamptonshire County Council Funding crisis and its possible effects.)

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(PS.

I wonder whether some Right Wingers the motivators of "exiting" are objecting to EU regulations are worried about increase tightening of monetary controls and taxation rules in the EU. Just a thought.)


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We will see.