Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

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Being a Remoaner you surmise that the majority of those who have 'reviewed their position and decision' are Leavers, that may not be the case.

Talking of Remoaners I see your bible has an interesting article that has them in a panic.

As the majority of voters voted to Leave the EU, how the Elite, the Luvvies and the Democracy hating Remainers have the temerity to call their campaign the People's Vote, just goes to show what they think of the average joe and democracy.

"So if 80% of the population"

The suicide is the vote, deciding to or not is the debate before the vote.

Fred1new.

Everyone knew that the result would be the result.

You cannot keep chopping and changing your mind. The vote happened, the majority spoke, now its to be actioned.

There is no evidence anyone has changed their mind or opinion. Of course the Remoaners will come out with Fake Polls suggesting everything is in their favour, but thats just BS.

I seem to remember polls saying Trump would never win the USA election, and that the Tories would not be elected first time (they were) and second time would be a landslide for the Tories (it was not).

Quote simply, opinion polls are highly inaccurate.........the only true answer is the voting........and the voting has happened.

The UK voted to leave, and leave it will - Deal or No Deal.

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I admire your certainty.

If you are right, the main difference will be for the general UK public, is that the UK will be waiting and serving at the table, but not able to choose the menu.

Mind it will probably help for some to lose weight.

However, it is as feasible, T Maybe may lose a vote of confidence, or the HP reject the "said deal".

Then at General Election and a party with a suitable manefesto rejecting Brexit may be elected.

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I seem to remember a tory chap called Chamberlain coming back from Europe clutching a piece of paper and claiming Peace in Our Time.

He, like his policies and agreements, were rejected.

We will see.

I not sure that "anyone" though the leavers would win.... many in power were telling us how badly thing would become and we even had Obams over to give us a kicking.
The one think the English don't like is being told what to do when it is clearly one-sided.
No-one knew what would happen after a Leave-Vote... so all those voices in the Parliament/City were giving an opinion at best... and maybe ( but I can't know), it was directly influenced by their employment prospects; maybe in some cushy EU-position when their time came.
We had been told how to Vote and 17m didn't like it. Those that accepted our "Betters" knew something we couldn't, may have swayed some . . . but for my penny-worth the majority in Parliament / HoL are there for purely Political reasons - and doing very nicely at the same time.
If ever there was a need for a "Peoples' Party" whose look at public spending and value-for money (possibly using crowd opinions???), the existing system would be shown up for what it is.
Historically, it has been the best system in the World - but that doesn't mean it can't be moved a little as new things develop.

I just wish the folks in charge of negotiations were keen enough to have voted "leave" - or withheld their vote, until their constituents had voted. As it is we appear to have negotiators who are on the other side . That's why it's taken so long to get nowhere. . . . or have I missed reality?

I think many who voted for Brexit were fed up with the effects of "austerity", and having their aspirations or "expectancies" dashed for 6 years or so. Also was the seeming in general of a general lack of direction of their "betters" (elite) in "power". (ie. Cameron and henchman Osborne.)

They wanted to kick the betters in the arse and show their discontent.

UKIP and other "Brexiters" also scapegoated the "immigrants" (not the Jews this time) and pandered to emotion by giving many a reason to "revolt against" the problem of "immigration" without evaluating the advantages of such.

(When the Italians came to Wales in the 30s the result was decent coffee shops.)

The majority did not foresee the complications or the consequences of leaving the EU.

My guess is that I and my family will ride the consequences of any "brexit" without any problems, but many members of UK public will suffer an unnecessary deterioration in the possible quality of their lives over the next 10years if it occurs.

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(Have a thought about Northamptonshire County Council Funding crisis and its possible effects.)

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I wonder whether some Right Wingers the motivators of "exiting" are objecting to EU regulations are worried about increase tightening of monetary controls and taxation rules in the EU. Just a thought.)


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We will see.

Leave or Remain.

All had two options.

Those who despise the result just deal with it.

I'm sure EL will be pleased that Fred has dug up the cause of Northamptonshires money problems.

Brexit, what else? Heatwave's?

No news is good news , out we come with no deal and all our money.

Hils , more chance of Cardiff winning the EPL than us staying in.

238 days to go , tick tock

A Graun article that doesent blame brexit..


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/03/northamptonshire-britain-council-bankruptcy-government-local-taxes

The problem is those who don't want any immigration and those who champion open door, both sets are looney tunes.

It's about controlling immigration, not banning it.

I see by population that London is France's sixth biggest city.

If immigrants who later attain British citizenship were banned from voting for 25 years a lot of politicians would not be so welcoming of them.

Most European countries in the hands of the liberals have allowed massive immigration, this is because the political elite see these as new future voters and ways to win more elections in future. The EU itself loves this and supports it, the more Liberal governments in power the more control and power the EU has.

This is of course all unraveling now as people are seeing through the lies. Just look at the USA, GDP growth rising, unemployment crashing down and all because Trump is putting America first.

His approval ratings are rising and rising, simply because end of the day the people are no longer mindlessly controlled by the media, they are seeing real benefits in their daily lives. The media is being caught with its pants down and its influence is waning fast.

Sadly in the UK the media still has a lot of power over the people, however as seen with Brexit, the brainwashing is starting to wear thin and people have actually realised they have a brain and can think for themselves, not do what the BBC and others tell them to do.

If we worried about the ethics and behavior of our leaders Winston Churchill would never have been PM.......and what a mistake that would have been.

We don't need talkers or do gooders..........we need people who actually get things done, do the dirty work, upset our neighbors but put the UK first. This can only happen with the UK outside of the EU.

And this is what frightens the EU...........if the UK leaves and becomes a great success then a lot of other countries will want to leave as well.......and then the EU crashes down.

Project Fear is being brought back on line............they are trying again to brainwash people that No Deal is not an option.

Bas%$#rds.

The world belongs to only those who can see the light.

You had better pay an urgent visit to specsavers Fred.

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Watch out Dil and Max,

Anti-litter day.