President Obama says its great news for peace and democracy.

PS.

Dil,

From recent reports there was not a massacre or obvious resistance.

There are stun guns etc. which could have rendered BL unconscious and carried out.

They carried the body and/or perhaps even other bodies.

Another suspicion is that in unlawful killing or killings an independent forensic post-mortem is held when possible.

The resistance to the incursion seems to have been minimal.

The same rights which the Americans and British wish for themselves should be shown to all members of the human race.


The opinions expressed by some posters on this board remind me of remarks I have be made by members of of "racial groups".


I repeat I am not sad BL is dead, but see no virtue in the way it was effected.

Perhaps, some believe in James Bond or have played too many unrealistic computerised war games.

"Shooting the raghead in the eye works for me."

The suggestion now is that he was shot in the back of the head and that is why there is a large part of his front skull and brain missing; small entry wound and big exit wound due the types of bullets that special forces use. He was shot in the chest and the shot in the back of the head may have been a 'coup de grace' shot after he fell.

..Al Qaeda has confirmed the death of Osama bin Laden and vowed to launch revenge attacks on the US and its allies.

A statement posted on jihadist websites warned that happiness over the terror chief's demise would soon be turned on its head.

The group described itself as a "curse" on America, promised bloodshed and also called on Pakistan to rise up in revolt.

An audiotape purporting to be of bin Laden speaking a week before his death is set to be released shortly.

The authenticity of the statement is not possible to confirm independently but it was posted on sites known to be used by the group.


It said: "We stress that the blood of the holy warrior sheik, Osama bin Laden, God bless him, is precious to us and to all Muslims and will not go in vain.

"We will remain, God willing, a curse chasing the Americans and their agents, following them outside and inside their countries.

"Soon, God willing, their happiness will turn to sadness. Their blood will be mingled with their tears.

"We call upon our Muslim people in Pakistan... to rise up and revolt to cleanse this shame that has been attached to them by a clique of traitors and thieves ... and in general to cleanse their country from the filth of the Americans who spread corruption in it."

The announcement paves the way for al Qaeda to name a successor to bin Laden, with his deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri the most likely candidate.

The confirmation followed claims by US officials that it had been planning an attack on the U.S. rail network to mark the 10th anniversary of 9/11.

The plot was apparently uncovered as US agencies went through information seized from bin Laden's compound after he was killed in a raid by Navy Seals.


"We have no information of any imminent terrorist threat to the US rail sector, but wanted to make our partners aware of the alleged plotting," Department of Homeland Security spokesman Matthew Chandler said.

The idea - outlined in handwritten notes from the compound - was to tamper with a the track so that a train would fall into a valley or from a bridge, according to a joint FBI and Homeland Security bulletin.

However, there was no indication from the intelligence whether further plans were drawn up for the scheme or if steps were taken to carry it out.

Fox News cited a source as saying the plan was more aspirational than concrete and mentioned services in New York, Washington DC and Chicago.

The source said the evidence taken during the raid in Abbottabad, Pakistan, on Monday considered the possibility of targeting a train travelling at 500mph - a speed that no locomotive in the US is capable of reaching.


Details of the alleged plot emerged as Pakistan's army broke its silence over the raid, acknowledging its own "shortcomings" in efforts to find bin Laden.

However, military chiefs threatened to review co-operation with the US if there was another similar violation of Pakistani sovereignty.

The army statement was in sharp contrast to the initial response to the raid by Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, who had hailed the operation as a "great victory".

In another revelation likely to further strain ties between Islamabad and Washington, CIA agents reportedly watched bin Laden from a safehouse in Abbottabad after his compound was discovered last August.

US officials said intelligence-gathering was so exhaustive that the CIA asked Congress to reallocate tens of millions of dollars to fund it.

"The CIA's job was to find and fix," the Washington Post quoted one US official as saying, using special forces terminology for locating a target.

"The intelligence work was as complete as it was going to be, and it was the military's turn to finish the target."


A Pakistani intelligence official has said that one of bin Laden's wives claims she had been living in the compound for six years.

The Yemeni-born woman - one of bin Laden's three wives currently being interrogated in Pakistan - did not say whether the al Qaeda leader had also been living there since 2006.

UN human rights investigators have called on the US to disclose the full facts surrounding bin Laden's death, in particular whether there had been any plan to capture him.

They said in certain exceptional cases deadly force may be used in "operations against terrorists" but "the norm should be that terrorists be dealt with as criminals, through legal processes of arrest, trial and judicially-decided punishment".


Bin Laden was unarmed when shot in the head by US commandos.

The White House's shifting story of the attack has raised doubts about US assurances that special operations forces were prepared to take him alive.

An opinion poll of more than 5,000 people surveyed in Pakistan shows that 66% of respondents do not believe that the person killed by US Special Forces was bin Laden.

The YouGov poll adds that three-quarters disapprove of the US operation and over half think it will result in "further violence against the US".

In New York on Thursday, US President Barack Obama visited Ground Zero to honour those killed in the attacks on the Twin Towers.

Today, Mr Obama will travel to the Fort Campbell US army base in Kentucky to meet members of the Navy Seal team that were involved in the operation.
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Isn't the parrot a candidate for Bin Laden's job with freddiefewbrains as his spin doctor ?

Britain will be targeted for a bombing during the 2012 Olympic Games imho.

Fred, your comment 'There are stun guns etc. which could have rendered BL unconscious and carried out.' i now just plain silly.

The last thing I want to be worrying about when flying into such a dangerous and unknown situation would be 'Did I put my stun gun on charge last night?' I would simply want to get in, do the job and get out alive with minimal risk to the team.

Yeh and give them their own passport

apart from the actual logistics of getting BL out of pakistan in one piece, there would then be huge problems in all sports of ways (just think about it) in keeping him alive and safe and putting him on trial and so on all the way down the line

morally, it was probably wrong to shoot him, but i'm sure it was actually much the best and least risky solution for the rest of the world ..... the end assuredly justified the means

raw,

I added an etc.

Have a look at the information at their disposal. methods and other weaponry which have been employed.

Also, an important factor in this incursion was it was into another Sovereignty.

The repercussion may be less than helpful to the outcome in Afghanistan and other areas of the world.

Also, Gaddafi has kill thousands of Libyans, other "charmers" have kill thousands and yet allowed to live,

Is a question of who is filling our back pockets.

It stinks of double standards.

The sanctimonious hypocrisy which is being portrayed is offensive.

How can it be morally wrong to kill him ?

Why. even in the Bible "God" kills people for small little indiscretions.

He killed some for mocking a bald man - that is in the Bible.

I think God kills well over 250 people as documented in the Old Testament.

Only these silly new age "liberals" who have a problem with killing scum.

A stun gun causes clenching and/or rigidity of the limbs.

Trigger in hand, hand clenches, boom!

What sports did he play

Pros.

That is what BL was preaching.

Greek,

How many times have you been stunned?

PS.

Or stoned!

fred - i'm afraid this is another occasion when you have got carried away on your own torrent of tosh, and no, i'm not going to waste my time shredding your joke logic and comment piece by piece ..... the guys and gals on this board have enough brain cells to see what nonsense you spout without any help from me

adding an etc doesn't mean anything.

Carrying anything other than lethal weaponry into such a situation would be plainly stupid and likely to lead to possible indecision and the death of one or more of the special forces.

I know what I would take given the choice and it would be at the most two guns with ammo and a knife. I wouldn't even bother with cable ties to handcuff him.

So to sum up the weeks posts on this thread most of us agree that the derf of Bin Laden was deserved and has made the world a better place.

Mind you he obviously has at least one fan.

Note.........the anagram of derf!

Will be out of internet reach till the 15th as walking the Cleveland Way for charity.

Thought about being trendy this year and collecting money for the One legged, lesbian, gay gypsy benevolent fund, but after some though, decided to donate to my usual charity, the local hospice.

i thought the cleveland way was hurling coins at opposition goalkeepers

hope the weather holds for you, especially along the coastal stretch ... at least you should get some great lobsters en route, and if memory serves me correctly, some of the best fish n chips in uk at the magpie cafe in whitby

hope you raise loads of dosh for your local hospice too

Greek,

Why not keep on walking?

Fred you are trying to widen the argument but sticking to the death of BL , imo , however he got his comeuppance is ok with me.

Go watch all the videos he's made over the last ten years and then tell me he deserved a trial , he signed his own death warrant.

As for Special Forces carrying stun guns instead of real weapons your having a laff.