Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Amusing how many warnings we get from nobodies.
Even more amusing, if that is the right word, is the fuss about the alleged overspend by the leave campaign while ignoring the £9M spent by Cameron on his fear campaign and the millions now being spent on overturning the result.
This and that wasn't on the ballot paper, they like to say, forgetting that the ballot paper was preceded by 16 pages of small print explaining, in the Remainders view, exactly what we were voting for. Get on with it May.

Is it Dil, It, or Mark pushing the wheelbarrow?

O dear, unbiased opinion from the Guardian. Give it up Fred, retire with grace. There is no bad Brexit. Just Brexit. We have heard all the "bad" before. Now it is just boring.

"Grace"!

You mean the future that some Brexiter's want.

Hobbling around the World cap in hand hoping for help outs.

Wondering why Little England has become a banana republic and has become a tourist cheap holiday resort.

But it is good to see the Spiv is back leading the UKIP and Far Right once again.

A leaf out of Corby's book...lol



https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/19/brexit-tory-mps-warn-of-entryism-threat-from-leave-eu-supporters

Hobbling around Europe living on hand outs seems to be how you have managed much of your life Fred. By your own admission. Your cardboard box on the bridge in Paris has been taken over long past. While you were a hobo, the rest of us were working.

It.

I have had to scratch a living where ever I could.

Be careful I might have scratched over you.

Strange though I have quite enjoyed it and don't seem as embittered as you appear to be.

OK Fred. Have a good one. The rest of us have things to do.

221 days to go Fred.

Tick tock.

Dil.

You seem to be wishing for a clockwork orange.

It may suit you.

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Prospect of a new UK party grows as Brexit shifts ground at Westminster



Political cracks are widening in both main parties but Brexit deadline means timing counts



Heather Stewart Political editor

Mon 20 Aug 2018 06.00 BST



The Greens’ Caroline Lucas, the Lib Dems’ Layla Moran, Labour’s Chuka Umunna and the Tory Anna Soubry at a People’s Vote event. Photograph: Ben Stansall/AFP/Getty Images


Britain’s political landscape has already been reshaped irrevocably by the Brexit vote. But there is a growing feeling at Westminster that the deep divisions over whether, and how, Britain should break from the EU, cannot be contained within the existing party system.




Within Labour in particular, turmoil from the party’s handling of antisemitism has also tested the loyalty of MPs, some of whom were already sceptical of Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership, and want to see him take a more strident anti-Brexit position.

When Len McCluskey, the general secretary of Labour’s biggest union backer, Unite, unleashed a strongly worded attack against Chuka Umunna last week, he was reflecting concern that Corbyn’s leadership could be destabilised by even a relatively small number of high-profile defections.

One senior party figure suggested Corbyn’s core team, hardened by the “chicken coup” that followed the EU referendum in 2016, were eliding several separate but related threats. The fear that the leadership was under attack again was leading to conflation, the source said.




More: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/20/prospect-new-uk-party-grows-westminster-political-cracks-brexit

Storms in teacups come to mind.

Not sure you're right there, Fred.

There is hardly a Brexiteer left in the Cabinet and that is definitely not proper.

And so to some extent, the same thing is happening with the Tories as the Brexiteers split off and away from the Remainers.

those of a certain vintage will remember the SDP and more recently UKIP
both caused waves at the time, but neither was able to sustain public appeal for long

As I've said before, no problem with a vote on the deal. Leaving the EU has been decided, the question is leave accepting the deal or leave without a deal. That is what the People's Vote want?

That's not the way I read it.

The so called peoples vote is seeking to reverse the leaving bit.

The flies in the spider's web are what are the Lib.dem and to a certain degree, the SNDP party are up to.

It seems to me they are to a certain degree playing a waiting game.

A lot of the ex-Lib/dem voters who punished them because of the alliance between the cons and themselves and voted for other parties in the last G/E may return to the fold.

My suspicions are that the Libs are in favour of being in the EU and European cooperation and the general public will flock to them.

What the MP count will be in the next government I don't know, but it is foreseeable that it will be an alliance between L/Ds and Labour with a collegiate cabinet.

But also, I think Labour, Lib/Dems, and SNDP are trying to put their policies manifestos together ready for a G/E while T May and her D/Ws are stirring a burning pot for themselves.

But the price is going to be horrendous.

Taxes sky high. Depreciation phew.

Hi MaxK,

Thanks. It was meant to be rhetorical, lost crossing the internet.

Cheers,
KidA

There's lots more coming out in the press about the benefits of leaving and trading under WTO.

It's all quite beneficial and nothing to be frightened of at all at all.

Project Fear 1 and 2 are also to be expected and with no Brexiteers in the Cabinet whatsoever, such a situation is utterly disgusting, IMHO.