Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

221 days to go Fred.

Tick tock.

Dil.

You seem to be wishing for a clockwork orange.

It may suit you.

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Prospect of a new UK party grows as Brexit shifts ground at Westminster



Political cracks are widening in both main parties but Brexit deadline means timing counts



Heather Stewart Political editor

Mon 20 Aug 2018 06.00 BST



The Greens’ Caroline Lucas, the Lib Dems’ Layla Moran, Labour’s Chuka Umunna and the Tory Anna Soubry at a People’s Vote event. Photograph: Ben Stansall/AFP/Getty Images


Britain’s political landscape has already been reshaped irrevocably by the Brexit vote. But there is a growing feeling at Westminster that the deep divisions over whether, and how, Britain should break from the EU, cannot be contained within the existing party system.




Within Labour in particular, turmoil from the party’s handling of antisemitism has also tested the loyalty of MPs, some of whom were already sceptical of Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership, and want to see him take a more strident anti-Brexit position.

When Len McCluskey, the general secretary of Labour’s biggest union backer, Unite, unleashed a strongly worded attack against Chuka Umunna last week, he was reflecting concern that Corbyn’s leadership could be destabilised by even a relatively small number of high-profile defections.

One senior party figure suggested Corbyn’s core team, hardened by the “chicken coup” that followed the EU referendum in 2016, were eliding several separate but related threats. The fear that the leadership was under attack again was leading to conflation, the source said.




More: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/20/prospect-new-uk-party-grows-westminster-political-cracks-brexit

Storms in teacups come to mind.

Not sure you're right there, Fred.

There is hardly a Brexiteer left in the Cabinet and that is definitely not proper.

And so to some extent, the same thing is happening with the Tories as the Brexiteers split off and away from the Remainers.

those of a certain vintage will remember the SDP and more recently UKIP
both caused waves at the time, but neither was able to sustain public appeal for long

As I've said before, no problem with a vote on the deal. Leaving the EU has been decided, the question is leave accepting the deal or leave without a deal. That is what the People's Vote want?

That's not the way I read it.

The so called peoples vote is seeking to reverse the leaving bit.

The flies in the spider's web are what are the Lib.dem and to a certain degree, the SNDP party are up to.

It seems to me they are to a certain degree playing a waiting game.

A lot of the ex-Lib/dem voters who punished them because of the alliance between the cons and themselves and voted for other parties in the last G/E may return to the fold.

My suspicions are that the Libs are in favour of being in the EU and European cooperation and the general public will flock to them.

What the MP count will be in the next government I don't know, but it is foreseeable that it will be an alliance between L/Ds and Labour with a collegiate cabinet.

But also, I think Labour, Lib/Dems, and SNDP are trying to put their policies manifestos together ready for a G/E while T May and her D/Ws are stirring a burning pot for themselves.

But the price is going to be horrendous.

Taxes sky high. Depreciation phew.

Hi MaxK,

Thanks. It was meant to be rhetorical, lost crossing the internet.

Cheers,
KidA

There's lots more coming out in the press about the benefits of leaving and trading under WTO.

It's all quite beneficial and nothing to be frightened of at all at all.

Project Fear 1 and 2 are also to be expected and with no Brexiteers in the Cabinet whatsoever, such a situation is utterly disgusting, IMHO.

I agree Exec and if we leave with no deal then in time a deal will be done.

What we really don't need is a crap deal just for the sake of it.

Just as a matter of interest, who gains or think they gain from creating chaos?

Seems a little like going back to gang warfare.

A battered partner leaving an abusive relationship, or stay too long because of the death threats.

Escaping a battering from 27 partners.

ummh.

Marrying how many new batterers after the divorce?

Makes sense.

None.

There won't be any chaos Fred just like the world didn't end the day after we voted out.

BBC full of doom and gloom this evening. Apparently a BLT will cost more if we don't get a deal because the bacon is from Denmark , lettuce from Spain and the tomato from Holland.

Omg how will we manage.

Hmmm? Reduce the cost by missing out the lettuce?