Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

VIC i am trawling through Vernon Colman's site don't let Fred see it ,he will jump off a bridge .

jimmyb

Fair enough, we will also not have open access to the single market if we leave.
Do you seriously think our leaving will suddenly mean migrants will give up at Calais and go elsewhere? Doubt it, France will let them on to the ferries and we can sort it out our side.

Grannyboy

To save you the effort of looking it up. Turkey has special EU access because it is an associate member, negotiating membership.
The reason I am sure we will not get the same deal for free access to the EU market is that we voted to leave.

i think my favoured result would be a close call with "stay" just shading it ...... so i shall vote "out"

it's a slim hope, but i hope such a result would start a major shake-up with more and more of the public across all member states demanding more and more accountability and general democracy across the board

it is that that would force the change, not the cosy, internal 10-year chit-chat that actually achieves bugger all

France will let them on to the ferries and we can sort it out our side.
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will you do talk rubbish ,so a few hundred migrants storm the ferry and the Captain just sails does he ? don't be so utterly ridiculous , yes the odd few will make it in trucks (and international trucking was my business for years so i know all about that)
France will not push hundreds on to ferries ,your sounding like Cameron. dream on .

the ferry companies would face hefty fines for allowing passengers on board without correct paperwork

Recent poll shows 53% of French would like EU referendum.

Jimmyb

If you actually read what I wrote.
I didn't say France would push them on to the ferries, don't be so dramatic.
We currently pay a big chunk to France to help hold migrants on their side. When we leave France will just let any migrants that want make their own way across.
I met someone that swim most of the way and was picked up by our coastguard just in time. He is now seeking to stay.
As far as migrants trying to get here, there is no evidence we will be any better off out. They will still want to get here. Of course some off the EU migrants that we would benefit from are also stopped getting here.

But I did say way back, I'm voting In on economics, only 50 50 on EU politics.

and i wonder how many dutch and germans and spanish and others?
probably an awful lot, but they are currently stifled

my fond hope is that the uk referendum, whatever the result, will provide the impetus to open up a whole pandora's box (yes, i chose that intentionally) for the "cosy clique"

will i said (if you read)

France will let them on to the ferries and we can sort it out our side.

your quote not mine , i actually cut and pasted your quote.

will your being dramatic rather like Cameron and his boyfriend, it won't make much difference as i think come June the vote will be OUT and i will jump for joy .

from your lips to God's ears

jimmyb

Fair enough, we all get to have the same say when we vote. You vote out. I vote stay. We both get to jump for joy.
Cheers

God ain't in this cynic !

Jumbo B.

When did you get out of rehab?

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By the way!!!!!

Support for Britain to stay in the European Union has risen two percentage points to 53 percent, according to an ORB opinion poll which Prime Minister David Cameron's election strategist said showed the "In" campaign was starting to win over voters.

The Telegraph said support for leaving the 28-member bloc in a June 23 referendum had fallen by three percentage points to 41 percent since an earlier ORB poll published on April 5.

Cameron's election strategist Lynton Crosby said opponents of EU membership were more motivated to turn out to vote but that the poll showed there was a growing preference among voters for staying in the club Britain joined in 1973.

"The Remain campaign has also persuaded more voters of the case for staying in the EU," Crosby, who helped Cameron unexpectedly win outright victory in a national election last May, said in a commentary for The Telegraph.

Crosby said the proportion of those saying "In" is running the better campaign has increased by 5 points to 39 percent while those saying the same of the "Out" campaign fell by 10 points to 25 percent.

Crosby said the government's 9.3 million pound ($13.3 million) leaflet setting out the case for staying in the EU may have helped boost support as could a row between the rival "Out" campaigns over the Electoral Commission's designation of Vote Leave as the official "Out" campaign.

"It may also be a derivative effect of the contrast between David Cameron's demonstrated urgency and focus on the outcome, and infighting between various Leave factions over which campaign should receive the official designation," Crosby said.

Crosby said immigration was an issue the "Out" campaign could use to win over voters while the "In" campaign could lose support if it could not convince voters that the EU helped job creation.

Fred if your talking rehab ,your the drunk not me :)

Yet another Pot & Kettle alert.

That's a bit thick of you Stan ,i already stated i don't really drink.

You are just a virtual drunk?

Or just a has been?

I don't think the polls mean anything at this stage.

The leave side has hardly begun to air the arguments, whilst the remains have been at it for months...paid for with public cash.

All to play for imo.

Getting very bitter on here. Freddie getting excited again LOL!!!! (Welsh Twat)

i agree max ,even if the poll showed leave ahead i wouldn't be counting chickens .
It is all to play for .
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Not a has been Fred ,i am in control unlike you who is a lazy drunk who HATES Britain and anyone who stands up for it and is patriotic.