Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Max,

Are you a cockroach?

Worth a read :

https://briefingsforbrexit.com/the-intellectual-case-for-brexit-a-lawyers-view-richard-aikens/


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Interesting article.

I "should" read again a few times and maybe I will.

A closing paragraph was :

"Personally, I would rather that ultimate decisions are made in democratically elected Parliament, rather than in the courts. That is my view of the world: I trust democracy; but I fear that the European Union does not."


I think emotionally I agree.

But look at the hell of mess Cameron's. Osborne's "democratic" referendum and "tory democracy" has got the UK into.

It is "Parliament" which "defines" the "laws", but the Judicial System which should be the implementors of those laws.

At the moment I would prefer to trust the courts with a system of "appeal" than the present cabal in government governing for itself.

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If the laws and rules are good "ones", whether the courts are familial, local, national, EU or International at the end of the day, as long as they can be appealed against, modified and/or implemented.

How many adolescents walk out of their home when they are in their teens but return home on better terms for parents and themselves and then make a success of their relationships.
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Give and take of life.

I think some negotiators have expected and still expect to take to much from one another.

Max,

Some bedtime reading and thought for you:

A no-deal Brexit may be unthinkable but that doesn’t mean it can’t happen
Andrew Rawnsley

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/26/no-deal-brexit-may-be-unthinkable-but-that-doesnt-mean-it-cant-happen

And what mess are you referring to Fred ?

Gawd what a miserable old git that Andrew Rawnsley is.

A lot of it is total bollox talking of which ... if there is a sperm shortage because of a no deal I don't mind chipping in a bit.

• Andrew Rawnsley is an Observer columnist ... says it all really!


However, to matters of importance .. this sperm business really confirms the fact that the Danes are a load of wankers.

‘This is the sad island where a generation of Tories and a "little Welshman" find themselves intellectually discredited and marooned.’ Illustration: Andrzej Krauze

It is good to see TM and LF grovelling around Asia and SA with their begging bowls in their hands hoping for handouts and promises to save their skins.

Think they should have taken Mark, Dil and Rosemary with them.

I would have thought it time for a few tory resignations and a general election.

Perhaps,

Theresa and Liam should swim home clutching bits of paper with "Trade in our Time" written on them.

One for Fred to avoid..


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/26/greece-was-never-bailed-out---it-remains-a-debtors-prison-and-the-eu-still-holds-the-keys

Already read it.

Looks similar to what the fate of the UK might be under the stewardship of the tories and neo-fascists.

Already read it.

Actually, what was projected at the time of the bail-outs and the fleeing if tax-avoiders from Greece, as is happening in the UK.

Looks similar to what the fate of the UK might be under the stewardship of the tories and neo-fascists.

A few years after Brexit those in N I might face the same situation as Brazil has to, just to safeguard the border from the South. With the Euro going into freefall they might be rushing northwards to try free themselves from their masters in Brussels/Germany.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-45338769

I see the French fishermen are doing their best to persuade us to stay in the EU Fred.

They all be out of a job soon anyway when they can't fish our waters.

You haven't factored in the May effect Dil.