for more information about stanelco click on the links.

driver's research page link
http://www.moneyam.com/InvestorsRoom/posts.php?tid=7681#lastread
website link
http://www.stanelco.co.uk/index.htm

i already am wilf!!!!

willfagg
I think its about 566545741051045191711987187178181819819818B capsules are sold in the world I may be a few out.

Driver - thanks for the email

Baza

willfagg
No I was right.

http://www.milinkito.com/swf/bart.php?texto=566545741051045191711987187178181819819818B+are+sold+in+the+world&Submit=Crear+nueva+frase

Looks like a couple of big buys went threw toward the close - least ways I think they were buys judging by the time and price. - does that bode well for tomorrow - I hope so 'cos this is murdering my CFD's?

Baza

willfagg Hi,

Thanks, and I think you are almost right there :)

Capsules alone could make this company a FTSE-100 company, but Greenseal has the same potential, and so does Biotec, possibly more according to KBC, so we now have a company with at least THREE opportunities to get into the FTSE-100, and they all might well pay off :)

My figures for 20 a share have been posted a few times before, and are based on Greenseal alone. Add Capsules, Starpol 2000, Biotec's other products, Frogpack, Petalpack, Cradlewrap, Air-Pillows, Starch sachets, Solutape and Labels, and you can easily see that 20 a share may seem a long way from 19p a share, but it's quite possible, and IMVHO it's going to happen within 3-5 years.

The 29090 near the end is a buy from me, I sold something else with a good profit this afternoon, and at the moment SEO is cheap as chips, so I topped up, as I did last week.

Over the next month, I am likely to sell other shares that are in profit, and all the cash is going into Stanelco, until my portfolio is 100% Stanelco again.

Cheers,
PM


willfagg - 15 Sep 2005 16:22 - 9414 of 9418
Has anyone considered how many capsules are sold in the world? if this technology is patented and Stanelco grab a large portion of the market, why would PM be so far out? In fact it was the new capsule technology for the Pharmaceutical industry that first got me excited about SEO. The potential from this could be greater than the packaging/sealing products. It could be mega.Certainly if you are looking for something that has the potential to make you rich SEO would have to be on your list, but then if it was that easy we would all be having this discussion from the Bahamas now

Come on guys - we are starting to believe our own hype - lets get this share back to 20p first before we start talking about 20.

It may well get to 20 eventually - but I think there is a lot of work to be done first - and of course we may be the only horse in town at the moment - but you can bet your life that there will be a whole posse looking at alternatives.

I will still be happy with a sustained 30p by Xmas.

Baza

PM - 3 -5 years 20 a share. Sure I like a bet, what odds would like? And how did you arrive at this share price anyway? Whats the basis for this calculation? This kinda grown over the time scale you've said would well surely be in the same regions as Microsoft or better.

Sharmona - Have to agree with bosley above this is all getting boring now. If PM has got calculations to back up his calculation then lets have it. Surely if hes right with his sums we can sell the evidence and all cash in that much sooner!!

Eric - Good post, agree 100%

Now for some light releif

A blonde pushes her BMW into a gas station. She tells the mechanic it died.
After he works on it for a few minutes, it is idling smoothly. She
says, "What's the story?"
He replies, "Just crap in the carburetor"
She asks, "How often do I have to do that?"

Sorry

Baza

........more

Two blondes living in Oklahoma were sitting on a bench
talking........
and one blonde says to the other, "Which do you think is farther
away..........Florida or the moon?"
The other blonde turns and says "Helloooooooooo, can you see
Florida...?????"

..last one - proomise

A gorgeous young redhead goes into the doctor's office and said
that her body hurt wherever she touched it.
"Impossible!" says the doctor. "Show me."
The redhead took her finger, pushed on her left breast and screamed,
then she pushed her elbow and screamed in even more. She pushed her
knee and screamed; likewise she pushed her ankle and
screamed. Everywhere she touched made her scream.
The doctor said, "You're not really a redhead, are you?
"Well, no" she said, "I'm actually a blonde."
"I thought so," the doctor said. "Your finger is broken"

Baza

With all of the heated debate that there has been today - I felt I should pass on a bit of advice - something that a very wise and learned friend once told me.

I am passing this on to you because it definitely worked for me, and we
could all do with a little calm.

By following his bit of simple advice I have certainly finally found
inner peace.

His advice was to make sure that you always finished off all the
things you have started".

So I looked round the house to see all the things I had started and hadn't
finished.

And before leaving the house this morning I finished off a bottle of red
wine, a bottle of white wine, the Baileys, three Bacardi Breezers, the Jack
Daniels, the Prozac, some Valium, some cheesecake and a box of chocolates.

You have no idea how bloody good I feel.

Sorry - I broke my promise - definitely the last one

Baza

baz
Inner Peace
When things go wrong in our life and we encounter difficult situations we tend to regard the situation itself as the problem, but in reality whatever problems we experience come from the mind. If we were to respond to difficulties with a positive or peaceful mind they would not be problems for us; indeed we may even come to regard them as challenges or opportunities for growth and development. Problems arise only if we respond to situations with a negative state of mind. Therefore, if we want to transform our life and be free from problems we must learn to transform our mind. Sufferings, problems, worries, unhappiness, and pain all exist within our mind; they are all unpleasant feelings, which are part of the mind. Through controlling and purifying our mind we can stop them once and for all. Once this is done you must top up with as many SEO as you can afford before they reach 20

Driver, suggest you read: "The Master Key", by Charles F Haanel.

OK.

Explosive Hi,

"3 -5 years 20 a share. Sure I like a bet, what odds would like?" .... what odds would you like ?

"And how did you arrive at this share price anyway?" Whats the basis for this calculation? .... I guess you ain't been around long, or you would have seen the calculations by now ! (I arrived at the figure, by calculating the Greenseal revenue, based on the number of machines Stanelco hope to convert in the next 3 years, then worked the SP out at a P/E of 24, as indicated to be about right by EVO, I then say allow a possible max of 2 years extra, for them to complete the task )

"This kinda grown over the time scale you've said would well surely be in the same regions as Microsoft or better. " .... how many times do the analysts and press have to print "this could be the next Tetrapak" before you notice it ? (Tetrapak is THE growth story of this century !)

Cheers,
PM

markusantonius
"All Your Life, They've Taught You How To Be The Wise Man ....( I got SEO for .039p)
This System Shows You How To Be The Fool To Get Everything You Want!" (I don't need everything.)

Explosive - the only difference in the differing SP views are the number of machines converted.

Paul, have you used the 50'000 machine conversions number in your calculations with royalties per year of 35'000 on each machine?

Bugz Hi,

I used the figure of 25,000 :)

USA and Canada will have deals soon enough, and UK is free from ASDA exclusivity next year, then Howard is going to attack Europe, then factor more areas in over the following couple of years, Japan(big user of MAP), Australia(already had enquiries via my website), Russia(packaging is booming), China(huge growth), India, Pakistan, etc etc.

We could easily get 25,000 machines from UK, USA, and Canada. Bear in mind the quoted numbers from analysts are only tray lidding, and there are even more thermoformers out there.

25,000 in 3 to 5 years don't sound like a big task, especially when we have AEIS and Premier onboard, and we will have others to help with the 'global' rollout soon enough to make it real.

Cheers,
PM

Optimal packs: The road ahead
Thursday, January 29, 2004 20:00 IST

Gelatin is a naturally occurring protein, which is commercially sourced from meat and leather industries. Pharma grade gelatin forms 21 per cent of the total gelatin market which is estimated at $ 1.2 billion and growing at 3 per cent per year.

http://www.chroniclepharmabiz.com/article/detnews.asp?articleid=20750&sectionid=50

Weighing the Choices in Encapsulation
by Heather Granato

Nutraceutical ingredients can be delivered in myriad forms. There are powders, liquids, tablets, capsules, bars, beverages and much more. The functional food category holds the promise of opening up nutrient enhancement to a wider array of consumers. However, there are certain limitations to every delivery system, as well as special benefits a manufacturer gains from each process.

Hard-shell capsules are a popular delivery system for many botanicals, while softgels have an increasing market in the area of oily products such as vitamin E and essential fatty acids (EFAs). Capsules are not limited to only a gelatin exterior, as innovations in production are yielding vegetarian alternatives to the primarily bovine encapsulation source.

Currently, many more manufacturers offer hard-shell encapsulation, and a majority of capsule products are delivered in this more traditional form. "The market for nutritional products in hard-shell capsules is obviously much larger than that of soft-shell capsules, both domestically and overseas, as there are more manufacturers in the hard-shell business," said Rezaur R. Yousuf, director of business operations for Kabco Inc., Amityville, N.Y. "Of course, many soft shell encapsulators are doing OTC [over the counter] products, which is perhaps more profitable than most nutritional products."

Softgel encapsulation produces a smooth--often clear--exterior engulfing the ingredients within. "Soft capsules are generally considered to be a premium dosage form," said Robin Koon, vice president of sales/marketing for Best Formulations, City of Industry, Calif. "They are easier to swallow and offer a point of differentiation. They also don't have the taste issues that can occur with hard capsules."

Softgels are generally best for oil-based or liquid products, as mentioned previously. In particular, because of total encapsulation, softgels offer more protection to oxygen-susceptible ingredients. Oxidized ingredients, as well as some more pungent natural compounds, carry strong scents that gelatin coating can also quash. For example, fish oil encapsulated in gelatin tends to have less of an odor than a dried fish oil powder in a hard capsule.

Another benefit to softgels is enhanced bioavailability of some products, according to Nehru Gaddipati, Ph.D., president of Somerset, N.J.-based Strides Inc. "A classic example is the solubilized formulation of coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10), which has been shown to have better bioavailability than the hard-shell capsules," he said.

However, softgel encapsulation is not without its difficulties. Koon said some of the difficulties include developing innovative products, maintaining high quality standards and providing competitive pricing. Other industry members add because softgel encapsulation is a semi-automatic process that requires oversight, it often means running a multi-shift operation with the added costs that entails. "Soft-shell encapsulation is, perhaps, more sophisticated than hard-shell encapsulation, with very little room for error," Yousuf said.

Hard-shell encapsulation, on the other hand, has been in use longer, and can be run automatically and at greater rates of speed. Most contract manufacturers offer hard-shell encapsulation services, though some are more concentrated than others in that area. NHK Laboratories, for example, specializes in filling two-piece hard-shell capsules. "We recently added a new high-speed Bosch encapsulation line to better accommodate large runs," said M. Amirul Karim, president of the Santa Fe Springs, Calif.-based company. It has also developed technology to enteric coat two-piece capsules for a time-release effect.

Generally, hard-shell encapsulation permits a wider range of ingredients to be used. Most botanicals, vitamins and minerals can be used in the process. "If we can ensure stability of a formula in a two-piece capsule, and we deem it feasible to manufacture using dry powders, we advise our clients that the two-piece capsule is an appropriate dosage form," Karim said. "It boils down to the stability and feasibility of the product."

Hard-shell encapsulation does pose its own set of challenges. Because of the set capsule size, adding too much or too little of an ingredient or formula is a challenge to be addressed at the beginning of a process. "If we have to encapsulate a multi-ingredient product that contains some hygroscopic material, it can become a nightmare," Yousuf said. "Or a customer will want a single ingredient in a capsule that does not have the required density to meet the fill weight."

The density issue is particularly difficult with botanicals. "Herbal extracts have lower densities than other ingredients, such as coral minerals or MSM," Karim said. "Due to the lower density, it becomes difficult to fill several hundred milligrams of any given herbal extract into a two-piece capsule. Along with density is the flowability factor. Herbal extracts by nature are 'sticky' and do not have good flow characteristics. This makes producing the product very time consuming and difficult."

In fact, many herbs have long been available as herbal tinctures. Extraction in water or alcohol, depending on the botanical, maximizes delivery of active components. However, the taste aspect has kept many consumers away from liquid extracts, driving demand for encapsulated products.

Some manufacturers are finding ways to merge consumers' desire for a liquid product with the manufacturing capabilities of hard-shell capsules. Capsugel and LiquidCeuticals both offer HPMC two-piece hard-shell capsules that are band-sealed. "Band sealing of capsules minimizes leakage issues and increases the tamper resistance of all two-piece capsules," said Fred Miller, marketing director for LiquidCeuticals in Clearwater, Fla.

"Natural vitamin E or any natural oil combination in an HPMC capsule can be all-natural because the delivery form does not require any binders, fillers, excipients or plasticizers that are common with many soft gel delivery forms. Liquid filled capsules are a very visually appealing product because consumers can easily see the material they are ingesting."

Before it launched its Licaps product in 2001, Greenwood, S.C.-based Capsugel conducted a nationwide product concept test to quantitatively measure consumer interest in a two-piece liquid-filled capsule. Their findings confirmed that consumers connected their perceived benefits of liquids with the Licaps supplements. Of those surveyed, 74 percent of participants who chose Licaps said they would purchase their supplements in that dosage form, if it was available.

In addition, HPMC capsules used in these systems are vegetarian, meeting a rising consumer trend. Many contract manufacturers report increased interest in vegetarian formulas and delivery systems. "We have noticed a tremendous growth in vegetarian capsules," confirmed Jay Kaufman, president of Torrance, Calif.-based Paragon Laboratories. "More customers are requesting capsules from a vegetable source."

Whether vegetarian or gelatin, marketers are turning to experts in the field when deciding what system to use for encapsulation. "Certain molecules are more appropriate for hard versus soft encapsulation due to several factors related to the internal formulation's reaction to the shell," said Robert Whitelaw, director of sales/marketing for Capsugel. "There is a difference in the oxygen permeability of hard gelatin capsules as compared to soft gelatin capsules. Some formulations are more odorous or have a strong taste. Those formulations, when compatible for use with hard gelatin capsules, are usually best encapsulated in hard gelatin capsules because the smaller matrix of the HGC shell provides greater masking of odor and taste. Other factors, including the ratio of water and/or alcohol, also affect the decision. These factors are precisely why it is important to partner with a capsule supplier who can provide formulation information and support as part of the partnership."

After considering the issues, many marketers are choosing to outsource capsule production. "It comes down to cost, volume and knowledge," Koon said. "The cost of installing and running a softgel facility is high. Since these machines run much slower than tablets or two-piece hard-shell capsules, attention must be made toward efficiencies."

Even marketers who have the capability for producing hard-shell capsules may look for an expert in the softgel field, Gaddipati said. "Manufacturing of softgels is still considered an art because the product quality is dependent on a skilled operator that can understand the viscoelastic properties and sealing characteristics of gelatin," he added. "Contract manufacturing facilities usually have the knowledge and understand the intricacies of formulation to troubleshoot any manufacturing issues in a timely manner."

The efficiencies come down to savings of dollars, which can then be put toward marketing instead of product development. "A customer who is successfully marketing a product, be it hard-shell or soft-shell capsules, need not go into the manufacturing process," Yousuf said. "It is not only too expensive but may also be a difficult proposition to manage, especially when his products are already being marketed well."

http://www.naturalproductsinsider.com/articles/331encapsulate.html