This board has been a little to quiet for while.

Is it time that Bush and Blair who is a close friend and confidant of Bush were tried for War Crimes?

Do you think the use by the American Administrations of renditions are War Crimes and committed with full knowledge of American and British leaders ie. Blair and Bush and they are ultimately responsible?

Also in the aftermath of the illegal invasion of Iraq are should their action seen to be as the provocation for the rising toll of British, American and Iraqi deaths.

As a result of the military intervention in Iraq do you think you are safer in Britain to-day?

Do you think one should expect government leaders and ministers who have been responsible for massive foreseeable casualties should visit the hospitals to meet the casualties they have produced directly or indirectly by their actions?

your all a figment of my imagination.

Fred,

He was visting his imaginary friend.

tweenie, can you please imagine a suitable cliff and fall for a few people.

Awww. Isn't he cute.
Its lovely to have your own personal stalker. imagine being so devoted to someone that you have nothing else on your mind all day long other than to follow him around, hanging on his every word, and making yourself look silly for his amusement, with no regard at all to everyone laughing.
If he didn't do it, I'd probably have to employ someone to do it, its just so chic to have a stalker. all the celebs have them.
Thanks, Aldwickk.

be glad it is'nt the other way round....you'd be locked up for grooming.
;-)

Aint enough grooming equipment in the whole world!!!

Who's Really
Killing Iraqis?

The Real 2006
'Iraq Body Count'

Iraqi civilians killed this year by Islamic Terrorists
8,895

Iraqi civilians killed collaterally by Americans
60*

Is this what they mean by 'Muslim tolerance'?
By PETER HITCHENS, The Mail on Sunday

Last updated at 15:10pm on 18th September 2006

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More polls Listen to this: "Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate."

Or then again, this: "Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends."

Then there is the instruction to fight against those who are not of the true faith "until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued".

All are direct quotations from the Koran, which Muslims believe to be the absolute word of Allah, and which cannot be altered.

If you seek even more ferocious attacks on Christianity and Judaism, you will find them in the Hadith, Islam's other great book of scripture.

Week after week in those lands where Muslims rule and Christians are a minority, the message pours out from the mosques: "God did not have a son."

All the central doctrines of the Christian faith are emphatically denied. Things are said about Jews and Christians, sometimes comparing them to pigs and monkeys, which would attract the attention of the Thought Police if they were uttered here.

Only recently an Afghan was threatened with death - the prescribed punishment under Sharia law - for converting from Islam to Christianity.

Christians in Pakistan live in constant fear of attacks on their churches and their homes, usually following false allegations that someone has burned a Koran.

Coptic Christians in Egypt suffer a similar misery. Christian Arabs who can afford to have been emigrating by the thousands to avoid increasing persecution by their Muslim neighbours.

Hypocritical fury

For years Liberals in the West have spread the myth of "Muslim tolerance". It does not exist and never did. Where Islam rules, other faiths must cringe in humiliated subjection.

These are facts. Is it not astonishing that this militant, angry religion, whose name means not "Peace", but "Submission", whose whole existence is based on the denial and rejection of its rivals, dares to get into a self-righteous rage over an obscure quotation in a dull academic lecture by the head of the Roman Catholic Church?

In Islam it is still the year 1427. They have had no reformation. The more Islamic a state is, the more its women are shrouded and confined, the more its minorities are despised - and the more freedom of thought and speech are crushed.

And yet the deputy leader of Turkey's Islamist ruling party, Salih Kapusuz, attacks the Pope for having "a dark mentality that comes from the darkness of the Middle Ages".

If we bow to this manufactured, hypocritical fury, then we will already have lost one of the most important battles to face us.

While our silly leaders bleat and panic about terror threats, a far greater menace to our free societies comes from the growing power of Islam in our midst.

Much of that power results from the weak-kneed refusal of our own liberal elite to stand up for what is good about our Christian civilisation. Back the Pope.

bawoni- turn the other cheek.
Or get a gun and go do gods work, embrace the end times.
The only thing that makes me cringe, is all you religious freaks, blameing each other. Please for the love of god.. STFU.
LOL

God save me from the religions

Elliot Wave must have been reading this thread cos they,re calling a bear market(for the 20th time since 2003!!!) based on religious bickering

Agree with ...

"the British taxpayer is footing the bill for far more expensive and out-of-control cockups than Iraq. I refer, of course, to the NHS" - MM

"The problems of the NHS are endemic to our society. Almost all businesses of any size or stature are run by accountants." - hewittalan6

"The british armed forces are now so undermanned that troops move from one war zone to another with little chance of rest." - Marc

"Saddam a wmd, yea, armed by the west" - kivver

"The extremists of one period are often the heroes of another." - Fred1new

"The problem with having private involvement in services such as the health service is that any money saved by efficiency is not ploughed back into raising the standards of the service itself but into the company's pocket and out of the service. The "efficiency" often ends with pressures on other areas which do not have their financing increased." - Fred1new

I will have to be more carful what I type.

Would like to add government IT projects to the list of multi-multi-billion cockups.

At least there are broad agreements on thie thread (or lack of disagreement) on
(1) appalling government (Labour and Tory?) mis-managements of NHS.
(2) UK arm forces being stretched (not by defence of UK).

Both are far more important to most of us than Iraq ever has been and ever will be.

We should collectively do something about them ... it is, after all, our health and life at stake here ...

It is most difficult to judge people, societies, countries and cultures.
We can evaluate, ponder and speculate on the intentions, the actions and the consequences; all wrapped up in secrecies, camouflages and exaggerations.

So I try my "substitution" test, extrapolate from personal experiences and observations, lessons from history, opinions and insights from people, including this BB and this thread. It is laborious and time consuming, so my postings often seem inconclusive, exploratative, academic, cryptic and several dozen postings behind the current discussion ... Because the journey never ends.

To me, so far, for now, ...

Iraq's WMD is the most thoroughly debunked grandest conspiracy theory this decade. For a few it is most profitable (probably $several hundred billion) and most useful, amongst other benefits.

As for Blair, he is a vainglorist through and through, demand loyalty above all else put together, mediocre and weak. But, very human.
Pity? Yes. Anger? Maybe. Sympathy? Perhaps. Hatred? No.

Well, it is only IMHO :-)

anyone on here still believe in official 911 fairy tale...lol!

I was told that it didn't matter because it was in the past.

Fred a suggestion,

In your original post you have actually asked 6 questions and I think that Is why the Thread

constantly goes off topic to the headline.

Therefor It may be helpful to number each of your points so that when people respond they can refer to the Individual point you make. That In It's self may make the thread even more enjoyable to read.

Just a suggestion, what do you think?

fred..so the holocaust didn't matter either?

I was quoting what I believe was previously stated by others on this thread.

If people weren't judicially liable for their past acts then there would be no need for a legal system or enforcement systems.

But what is good for the goose is good for the gander. I think however a time limitation on the pursuit of the those implicated in "criminal activities" if not in involved in further criminal activity may be sensible for the majority of crimes, unless there is a useful deterring effect of future crimes by doing so.