Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Liam Halligan and Farage would make fitting leaders for the "New Tory Party", with running mates Moggie and Boris.

We would see a new revitalised Littler England after NI and Scotland devolve.

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PS. what has been the cost of administration of the failing EU simple Brexit "negotiations" so far?

Mind it is other people's money, not mine comes to mine.

Daft.

A lot less than staying in the EU for a day.

And you do realise there are more countries outside the eu than in it don't you Fred so I'd rather be with the majority.

They weren't invited to the party!

But many seem to wish to join the EU and or deal with its members.

Many wish to join the €U for a hand out .. 20 of the 27 are on the take, why else do you think they are there?

If so, why are the rest so gullible?

Because unlike us they haven't been given a vote ..... YET !

Talking about gullible - anyone that follows JC must be the most gullible of all.

I bet he changes his underpants less often than he changes his mind, and rather than being like a strong oak tree is a little weak sapling.

200 days to go , tick tock.

Be careful your spring may break!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/09/10/operation-save-theresa-eu-considers-redrawing-michel-barniers/

Jacob Rees-Mogg: "We say NO to squandering tax payers money"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5vqka0axuE

During a passionate speech in the Commons on Monday, 10th September, the European Research Group (ERG) chairman reminded British politicians that they do not “owe” the European Union any money for Brexit.

In a debate in the Commons on legislating for the Withdrawal Agreement, Mr Rees-Mogg referenced a report produced by the House of Lords' EU Committee and said: “The case that was explained in this very powerful document was, if we leave under the terms of Article 50 without a withdrawal agreement, we owe no money.”

The prominent Brexiteer said politicians “must say no” to a bad Brexit deal that would waste British taxpayers’ money.

Mr Rees-Mogg told MPs: “The reason for this is that our obligation to pay any money would in normal circumstances depend upon the Vienna Convention on Treaties until 1968.

“And if we left under those terms without anything in the Lisbon Treaty or other EU treaties we would indeed be liable for our share of the liabilities.

“But that convention says that if the treaty of the organisation to which you belong makes a different provision for leaving then that provision is authoritative.

“And then you go back to Article 50 and the provision of Article 50 is that if you leave after two years without deal then that is it. There is no financial provision at all.

“The £40billion we are talking about, of our constituents’ money, of money that could be spent on other pressing needs and every member of this House could identify pressing need in their own constituency or for their own constituents or for the nation at large – that £40billion is not a legal obligation – it is a charitable donation unless it comes with a very clear quid quo pro.”

MPs could be heard chuckling as Mr Rees-Mogg added: “We had a report last week that we are going to have a 10 page document of a political agreement saying motherhood and apple pies all fine and dandy - that would be £4billion a page for waffle.

“You may like waffles, you may prefer Belgian waffles, but £4billion a page for waffle is not something I think any responsible member of Parliament could vote for.

“What after all is the job and power of this House? Who do we control the executive? It has always been by the provision of money.

“If the executive wishes to waste British taxpayers’ money, we must say no.”

Mr Rees-Mogg concluded by saying MPs should say “yes to people who are living here and generous” but “say no to being a vassal state” and “no squandering taxpayers’ money’.

Prime Minister Theresa May’s Brexit plan, calling for close regulatory alignment with the EU’s single market for British exports, has faced scrutiny from both Brexiteers and Remainers.

The proposal includes plans to create a ”common rule book” – involving a free trade area with the EU on industrial and agricultural goods.

The Brexit plan has been heavily criticised by former Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson since the Tory MP for Uxbridge and South Ruislip resigned over the agreement in July.

On Sunday, Boris Johnson wrote that Mrs May was wrapping a “suicide vest” around a “great British Brexit”.

But Mrs May has so far vowed to stick by her controversial Brexit blueprint.

The EU’s chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier has previously rejected Mrs May’s plans and ruled out any special economic relationship with the UK – claiming it would unravel the entire “European project”.

But in a shock u-turn, Mr Barnier told a forum in Slovenia on Monday it is "realistic" to expect a divorce deal with Britain in six to eight weeks – suggesting the divorce could be settled by the week beginning October 15 – just in time for the EU Summit on October 18.

The EU chief negotiator said: "I think that if we are realistic we are able to reach an agreement on the first stage of the negotiation, which is the Brexit treaty, within 6 or 8 weeks.

"Taking into account the time necessary for the ratification process, the House of Commons on one side, the European Parliament and the Council on the other side… We must reach an agreement before the beginning of November. I think it is possible."

Barny can think what he likes but the current proposal won't get agreed by Parliament anyway.

He's running scared now and probably getting pressure put on him not to lose our 40 billion hand out.

EU falling apart , Poland and Hungary breaking any rules they want to and the EU can do nothing about it.

Something for Dil and Manuel to celebrate.

We've bought a bigger, shinier one Fred. That was given to "car crash" Barry Gardiner.

Were you driving the one above?

We have just got to get through to December.......then there is no time to reverse anything.

TM will be left in power until late November, once that milestone is achieved nobody (not even a general election) can stop Brexit as regulatory periods are too long to get anything legally changed and approved.

Leadership challenge in late Nov or early Dec..........but until then everyone in the Tory party will back TM as they just need her to stay there for a couple more months.

Appealing to London property owners.

Oh no not another housing price crash like the one predicted by remoaners for June 2016 if we voted out.

Remoaners getting desperate now.



193 days to go , tick tock.

Don't knock barmy Carney he has a 100% record for forecasting-------he has been totally wrong on everything.