Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

They weren't invited to the party!

But many seem to wish to join the EU and or deal with its members.

Many wish to join the €U for a hand out .. 20 of the 27 are on the take, why else do you think they are there?

If so, why are the rest so gullible?

Because unlike us they haven't been given a vote ..... YET !

Talking about gullible - anyone that follows JC must be the most gullible of all.

I bet he changes his underpants less often than he changes his mind, and rather than being like a strong oak tree is a little weak sapling.

200 days to go , tick tock.

Be careful your spring may break!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/09/10/operation-save-theresa-eu-considers-redrawing-michel-barniers/

Jacob Rees-Mogg: "We say NO to squandering tax payers money"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5vqka0axuE

During a passionate speech in the Commons on Monday, 10th September, the European Research Group (ERG) chairman reminded British politicians that they do not “owe” the European Union any money for Brexit.

In a debate in the Commons on legislating for the Withdrawal Agreement, Mr Rees-Mogg referenced a report produced by the House of Lords' EU Committee and said: “The case that was explained in this very powerful document was, if we leave under the terms of Article 50 without a withdrawal agreement, we owe no money.”

The prominent Brexiteer said politicians “must say no” to a bad Brexit deal that would waste British taxpayers’ money.

Mr Rees-Mogg told MPs: “The reason for this is that our obligation to pay any money would in normal circumstances depend upon the Vienna Convention on Treaties until 1968.

“And if we left under those terms without anything in the Lisbon Treaty or other EU treaties we would indeed be liable for our share of the liabilities.

“But that convention says that if the treaty of the organisation to which you belong makes a different provision for leaving then that provision is authoritative.

“And then you go back to Article 50 and the provision of Article 50 is that if you leave after two years without deal then that is it. There is no financial provision at all.

“The £40billion we are talking about, of our constituents’ money, of money that could be spent on other pressing needs and every member of this House could identify pressing need in their own constituency or for their own constituents or for the nation at large – that £40billion is not a legal obligation – it is a charitable donation unless it comes with a very clear quid quo pro.”

MPs could be heard chuckling as Mr Rees-Mogg added: “We had a report last week that we are going to have a 10 page document of a political agreement saying motherhood and apple pies all fine and dandy - that would be £4billion a page for waffle.

“You may like waffles, you may prefer Belgian waffles, but £4billion a page for waffle is not something I think any responsible member of Parliament could vote for.

“What after all is the job and power of this House? Who do we control the executive? It has always been by the provision of money.

“If the executive wishes to waste British taxpayers’ money, we must say no.”

Mr Rees-Mogg concluded by saying MPs should say “yes to people who are living here and generous” but “say no to being a vassal state” and “no squandering taxpayers’ money’.

Prime Minister Theresa May’s Brexit plan, calling for close regulatory alignment with the EU’s single market for British exports, has faced scrutiny from both Brexiteers and Remainers.

The proposal includes plans to create a ”common rule book” – involving a free trade area with the EU on industrial and agricultural goods.

The Brexit plan has been heavily criticised by former Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson since the Tory MP for Uxbridge and South Ruislip resigned over the agreement in July.

On Sunday, Boris Johnson wrote that Mrs May was wrapping a “suicide vest” around a “great British Brexit”.

But Mrs May has so far vowed to stick by her controversial Brexit blueprint.

The EU’s chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier has previously rejected Mrs May’s plans and ruled out any special economic relationship with the UK – claiming it would unravel the entire “European project”.

But in a shock u-turn, Mr Barnier told a forum in Slovenia on Monday it is "realistic" to expect a divorce deal with Britain in six to eight weeks – suggesting the divorce could be settled by the week beginning October 15 – just in time for the EU Summit on October 18.

The EU chief negotiator said: "I think that if we are realistic we are able to reach an agreement on the first stage of the negotiation, which is the Brexit treaty, within 6 or 8 weeks.

"Taking into account the time necessary for the ratification process, the House of Commons on one side, the European Parliament and the Council on the other side… We must reach an agreement before the beginning of November. I think it is possible."

Barny can think what he likes but the current proposal won't get agreed by Parliament anyway.

He's running scared now and probably getting pressure put on him not to lose our 40 billion hand out.

EU falling apart , Poland and Hungary breaking any rules they want to and the EU can do nothing about it.

Something for Dil and Manuel to celebrate.

We've bought a bigger, shinier one Fred. That was given to "car crash" Barry Gardiner.

Were you driving the one above?

We have just got to get through to December.......then there is no time to reverse anything.

TM will be left in power until late November, once that milestone is achieved nobody (not even a general election) can stop Brexit as regulatory periods are too long to get anything legally changed and approved.

Leadership challenge in late Nov or early Dec..........but until then everyone in the Tory party will back TM as they just need her to stay there for a couple more months.

Appealing to London property owners.

Oh no not another housing price crash like the one predicted by remoaners for June 2016 if we voted out.

Remoaners getting desperate now.



193 days to go , tick tock.

Don't knock barmy Carney he has a 100% record for forecasting-------he has been totally wrong on everything.

Lol

Courtesy of the BBC....

Your guide to Brexit jargon

Brexit
Short for Britain exiting the European Union

Brexit bus
Refers to a bus hired by the Leave campaign in the run-up to the European Union referendum. On its side was a slogan that became one of the most controversial of the campaign and was credited by some with swinging the result: "We send the EU £350m a week. Let's fund our NHS instead. Vote Leave."

Hard Brexit
This phrase is often used by critics of Brexit who think it will harm the UK economy. A hard Brexit would be one where few of the existing ties between the UK and the EU were retained leading to more disruption than a Soft Brexit.

Soft Brexit
Leaving the European Union but staying as closely aligned to the EU as possible. It could keep the UK in the single market or the customs union or both. It could involve British compromises on free movement of people, allowing European Union citizens rights to settle in the UK with access to public services and benefits.

Chequers plan
A plan for Brexit which was agreed by the Cabinet at the Prime Minister’s country residence, Chequers, on 6 July 2018. It includes: a “common rulebook” for all goods traded with the EU and a “facilitated customs arrangement” which aims to maintain frictionless trade in goods between the UK and the EU whilst allowing Britain to develop an independent trade policy with the rest of the world. The plan would end free movement of people.

No deal
Britain leaving the European Union with no formal agreement on the terms of UK’s withdrawal or future trade relations.

Customs partnership
This proposal, also known as the hybrid model, would enable trade in goods between the UK and Europe without the need for customs checks. Proponents say it would help solve the Irish border question too, as the UK would collect the EU's tariffs on goods coming from other countries on the EU's behalf. If those goods stayed in the UK and UK tariffs were lower, companies could then claim back the difference.

Norway model
An arrangement in which the UK would have to allow freedom of movement of people, make a contribution to the EU budget - smaller than it currently makes - and abide by many of the EU's rules, in exchange for remaining in the single market.

Canada model
Refers to a free-trade agreement between the EU and Canada which removes lots of barriers to trade between the two, but not as many as the Norway model – which involves signing up to more EU rules, contributing to the EU budget and allowing the free movement of people.

Backstop plan
Effectively an insurance policy to avoid a hard border in Northern Ireland, if appropriate customs arrangements cannot be agreed by the EU and UK in time for the end of the transition period in December 2020. The EU believes the backstop should mean Northern Ireland effectively staying in the single market for goods and the customs union until the UK comes up with solution to the border issue. Theresa May wants a backstop that would see the whole of the UK staying in the customs union for a limited period of time after the transition period – something the EU has said is unacceptable.

Divergence
Allowing rules and regulations to differ between the European Union and the UK after Brexit.

Why is Britain leaving the European Union?
A referendum - a vote in which everyone (or nearly everyone) of voting age can take part - was held on Thursday 23 June, 2016, to decide whether the UK should leave or remain in the European Union. Leave won by 51.9% to 48.1%. The referendum turnout was 71.8%, with more than 30 million people voting.

What was the breakdown across the UK?
England voted for Brexit, by 53.4% to 46.6%. Wales also voted for Brexit, with Leave getting 52.5% of the vote and Remain 47.5%. Scotland and Northern Ireland both backed staying in the EU. Scotland backed Remain by 62% to 38%, while 55.8% in Northern Ireland voted Remain and 44.2% Leave. See the results in more detail.

What is the European Union?
The European Union - often known as the EU - is an economic and political partnership involving 28 European countries. It began after World War Two to foster economic co-operation, with the idea that countries which trade together were more likely to avoid going to war with each other.

The Single Market
It has since grown to become a "single market" allowing goods and people to move around, basically as if the member states were one country. It has its own currency, the Euro, which is used by 19 of the member countries, its own parliament and it now sets rules in a wide range of areas - including on the environment, transport, consumer rights and even things such as mobile phone charges.

When is the UK due to leave the EU?
For the UK to leave the EU it had to invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty which gives the two sides two years to agree the terms of the split. Theresa May triggered this process on 29 March, meaning the UK is scheduled to leave at 11pm UK time on Friday, 29 March 2019. It can be extended if all 28 EU members agree, but at the moment all sides are focusing on that date as being the key one, and Theresa May has now put it into British law.

So is Brexit definitely happening?
The UK government and the main UK opposition party both say Brexit will happen. There are some groups campaigning for Brexit to be halted, but the focus among the UK's elected politicians has been on what relationship the UK has with the EU after Brexit, rather than whether Brexit will happen at all. Nothing is ever certain, but as things stand Britain is leaving the European Union. There is more detail on the possible hurdles further down this guide...

What's happening now?
The UK and EU have provisionally agreed on the three "divorce" issues of how much the UK owes the EU, what happens to the Northern Ireland border and what happens to UK citizens living elsewhere in the EU and EU citizens living in the UK. Talks are now focusing on the detail of those issues - there is yet to be agreement on how to avoid having a physical Northern Ireland border - and on future relations. To buy more time, the two sides have agreed on a 21-month "transition" period to smooth the way to post-Brexit relations. The UK cabinet has agreed how it sees those future relations working and will now be seeing if the EU agrees.

What is the 'transition' period?
It refers to a period of time after 29 March, 2019, to 31 December, 2020, to get everything in place and allow businesses and others to prepare for the moment when the new post-Brexit rules between the UK and the EU begin. It also allows more time for the details of the new relationship to be fully hammered out. Free movement will continue during the transition period, as the EU wanted. The UK will be able to strike its own trade deals - although they won't be able to come into force until 1 January 2021.

Do we know how things will work in the long-term?
No. Negotiations about future relations between the UK and the EU are taking place now. Both sides hope they can agree by October on the outline of future relations on things like trade, travel and security. If all goes to plan this deal could then be given the go ahead by both sides in time for 29 March 2019. Theresa May delivered a big speech setting out her thoughts on the UK and EU's future relations on 2 March, 2018.