Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Death due to slow poisoning isn't much better than a bullet in the head.

Democracy.

Is it undemocratic to ignore the view of the public as a whole when it has obviously changed?

(Governments when elected often reverse decisions previously made. The reversals may be grumbled at, but at least, in general, those decisions are argued first and then voted on,)

If one sees somebody making a mistake and likely to be slide over a cliff if they continue along their previously chosen route, to stop them, advise them of the probable problems and allow them a chance to review their decision.

But are those who appear "frightened" to accept another referendum and/or G/E aware that many were deceived by false optimism into voting the way they did.

I question the reasons why many of the most ardent "leaders" of Brexit "wish" to be free of Europe.

Free to do what?

Personally, I would like to see the "true" financial" arrangements and hope for future arrangements of many of those leaders. Not the hoi polloi like myself.

Follow the money!

PS.

Would you be happier with some of the Sunderland patriotic "thugs" than a few left winged "aberrant"?

By the way. "social" and "political" views are not written in stone, for the majority views change modify over time according to time and circumstance.

The majority of people mature and modify their opinions when they are given responsibilities and information and have to address problems.

Looking at Corbyn and Mcdonnell they seem pretty mature, which doesn't mean I agree with all their policies, but some seem practical routes to sort out the increasing social and economic problems which we will have. (In or out of the Eu.)

What I see as being dictated or polite thuggery is TM having a "chat" with the leadership of Europe and blatantly abusing her government by not discussing that information with it, before declaring like an autocrat the action of that government and country.

That is an abuse of democracy!

Moan moan moan.

Funny that no one knew what Brexit meant when they voted when it was clearly explained in a government leaflet sent to every householders.

And who cares anyway , it's only the remoaners claiming they didn't know and they lost anyway.

Soon be out Fred and with a bit of luck without the crappy deal we are currently offering them.

Yes Dil two fingers to Europe. Let them find another goose to lay them golden eggs.
Not long now.
However is it all a sham to convince us they are fighting hard to protect there respective positions and then a last minute rabbit out of the hat? I am suspicious we are being set up.

M , theres probably an EU rabbits rights directive forbidding anyone pulling them from hats :-)

Would serve the EU right if May loses her job and a real Brexiteer takes over.

:-)

For the Sunderland boys.

Man has Theresa May fetish , morning , noon and night .

Good on yer, Mrs May. Nice to see you stop pussy-footing around and I think the whole country are behind you on this one.

It is not acceptable to simply reject the other sides' proposals without presenting detailed counter-proposals yourself.

They are not treating us with enough respect. We've had a referendum and we are definitely going to leave the EU.

So stick a cherry on that.

To me, TM last effort seems like her Swan Song.

Pound ???

Really.

How icons fall.

Wow go out for a few hours and May grows a backbone !!!!

They need a deal as much as us but for 2 years it's been us alone putting proposals forward and them shooting them down.

Over to you Mrs Merkel and your minions.

As for France and Macron ... he and his most ungrateful nation on the planet are about to find out how easy it is to leave the EU ,

Fred , who does a weak pound benefit , us or the Eu ?

Ffs , Germany only does so well because the euro is so weak compared to what the DEM would be worth.

Germany and France have been having a free ride on the backs of others since the Euro was created , ask Greece.

I agree Dil , They don't like it up em you know .

At least having retain the GBP it makes it easy to leave, unlike nations that signed up to the Euro.

De Gaulle dis us a favour, now Macron has the same arrogance, thinking he is only truthful one around - Boris and Co can tell him how to put France back on track and stop being a parasite on other nations, ie. the UK and the USA - Trump had that one right with them not paying their share of the NATO budget or their German Pals.

Lol that didn't take long ... Tusk already back tracking.

Sod him Mrs May , walk away.

But it has NOT CHANGED

The change is talked and pushed by Remain, but actually, it was fact checked and there are 4 polls on the subject. Two polls show some LEAVE have gone REMAIN. Two polls show some REMAIN are now LEAVE.

The conclusions is...........there is no change therefore in opinion levels.


Fred1new - 20 Sep 2018 17:50 - 9491 of 9507
Death due to slow poisoning isn't much better a bullet in the head.

Democracy.

Is it undemocratic to ignore the view of the public as a whole when it has obviously changed?

Just seen this video on Twitter.

Three of the most prominent REMOANERS all saying back then there is no way there can be a second vote (when they thought remain would win) and now all calling for a second vote.

Hypocrisy at its very finest..........thats REMOAN.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IpvkJaKJwY

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Travels with Martin, Dil and 4i5 and 1/2.