This board has been a little to quiet for while.

Is it time that Bush and Blair who is a close friend and confidant of Bush were tried for War Crimes?

Do you think the use by the American Administrations of renditions are War Crimes and committed with full knowledge of American and British leaders ie. Blair and Bush and they are ultimately responsible?

Also in the aftermath of the illegal invasion of Iraq are should their action seen to be as the provocation for the rising toll of British, American and Iraqi deaths.

As a result of the military intervention in Iraq do you think you are safer in Britain to-day?

Do you think one should expect government leaders and ministers who have been responsible for massive foreseeable casualties should visit the hospitals to meet the casualties they have produced directly or indirectly by their actions?

hewittalan6

Any man who calls another man cute must be gay, i bet you only got married because you didn't want to be outed.

Get a life.
I would not dream of assuming you are a man!!!
Maggot perhaps, but definitely not a man.
I'm about to write a suggestion to MAM that they add a Janet & John bit to the thread headers, so people like you, who are a little hard of thinking, can work out what the thread is about.
Goodbye, irritating little inconsequential nothing.

hewittalan6

People reading your reply will have noted that you have not denied what i said, attack is not always the first line of defence.

Why should I deny it. it may be true and it may not, who, other than you, cares.
Defence???? Homosexuality is something to be ashamed of and defended???
Well done. You have just alienated about 1 in 8 people on here, and probably many more heterosexuals.
I really enjoy your little visits. They make me look so good. And that is quitr difficult to do. Ask my wife. (or fred).
Alan

H and A, Why don't both of you ignore one another for a while. Allow one another to breath a little freely.

H and A, Why don't both of you ignore one another for a while. Allow one another to breath a little freely.

I'm very sorry about this, Fred, but you understand that he has a history of attacking people who do not agree with him. He did that on another thread and I exposed his history as offensive and intent on harm. Since then he has followed almost every post I make on every thread, trying his hardest to be insulting. Fortunately he is not very good at it, but he dooes get very offensive.
I regard his recent homophobic rantings to be very disturbing in the 21st century, and much more offensive than any of the racial bigotry that this thread can be prone to, given its sensitive theme.
Had he implied that Asians, muslims, Blacks or women were anything less than acceptable you would have been the very first to retaliate.
I believe he has now exposed his true colours on yet another thread and barring personal attacks I will continue to ignore him, as he justly deserves, until such point as he can make a sensible and non personal contribution to adult debate. i will not hold my breath for that.
Alan

' regard his recent homophobic rantings to be very disturbing in the 21st century '

I good try by your standards to twist what i said, am not homophobic i was just asking why a man would call another man cute if he is not gay to which in one of your long Neil Kinnock type replys you didn't answer the question.

H6, "Had he implied that Asians, muslims, Blacks or women were anything less than acceptable you would have been the very first to retaliate. "
I may have responded or asked for further argument to support his belief, but being a lazy critter think about shrugging myh shoulders and then moving on to pleasanter thoughts.

On the other foot, at this moment I could be standing just behind you.

attack is not always the first line of defence.

Direct quote. Pray why should i defend my sexuality, whatever it is???

Pray why should you deny your sexuality, whatever it is ???

Because you may get it cut off if you don't!

8-)

September 21, 2006
Afghanistan: Muslim Honor Killings Increasing
A report from the United Nations Office For the Coordination of Human Rights (IRIN), and discussed by Radio Free Europe and AKI states that honour killing is increasing in Afghanistan, back to levels which happened at the time of the Taliban.

The Afghan Independent Human Rights Commission (AIHRC) has claimed that many of the honor killings happen when women or girls refuse to engage in arranged marriage or have "inappropriate" relationships. AIHRC says 185 girls have been killed by relatives so far in 2006, a large increase on last year's rate. As in other areas where honour killings happen, the true figure is probably much higher, especially in rural areas. Sometimes women are driven to suicide or forced out of their homes, where they can only survive by begging.

Dr Soraya Sobrang, head of AIHRC said: "Unfortunately, many women and girls continue to lose their lives due to this brutal crime. Sadly, it's totally ingrained in [Afghan] culture, particularly in rural areas of the country."

She said to Radio Free Europe: "I can tell you that they happen all over Afghanistan. Most of them get buried within the family, and no one is ever informed about them. But today, some cases are made public and are disseminated - so we are able to get some figures. They take place in faraway villages in rural areas."

But the problem of honour killings are, as we wrote on May 28 are part of a larger constellation of abuse and patriarchy, where girl children are not regarded as having the rights to control their own destiny. In such a climate, girls are promised away to others, often in compensation to others. In Pakistan this custom is called vani or swara. It also happens in Afghanistan.

According to a report by the US State Department from September last year on child marriages, "the UN special rapporteur on violence against women, between 60% and 80% of marriages in Afghanistan are forced marriages which give women no right to refuse. Many of those marriages, especially in the rural areas, involve girls below the age of 15. "

The US report added that the UN Population Fund has said that in some rural regions of Afghanistan, children as young as six years old are married off by their families.

In 2004 IRIN reported that child marriages were still happening at a high rate, according to the Afghanistan Ministry of Women's Affairs and also NGOs. Then, it was said that as many as 57% of all marriages in Afghanistan involve girls under sixteen, and some of these as young as nine.

According to Aghanistan's constitution, which had recently been introduced, the minimum age for marriage is 16 years for a girl and 18 for a male.

The consequences of forcing immature girls to have sex and to give birth, as well as preventing them from gaining education and later work, is physically traumatizing. The 2004 report said then that every hour in Afghanistan, two women died while giving birth - the highest maternal mortality rate in Asia.

Rachel Wareham of the NGO Medica Mondiale, said: "Maternal mortality is partly linked to a lack of trained medical professionals, but it is also very clearly linked to girls who are giving birth when they are not yet ready."

A year later, IRIN reported that the situation had not improved. Paul Greening of the United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) said: "Badakhshan [northeastern province] has the highest maternal mortality rate in the country and one of the main reason is under-age marriages - even as young as seven in some cases. This needs to be addressed."

A midwife at Malalai hospital in Kabul said: "It is a shame to say that even in the capital Kabul we treat pregnant mothers as young as 12 years of age."

A study from 2005 by AIHRC found that 500 girls had been given away or traded as part of local conflict resolution practices. 90% of these girls were aged under 14. This is identical in nature to the vani or swara practices of Pakistan where girls as young as one years old can be "traded" as part of "conflict resolution". Most of these Afghan girls became the "property" of their new families.

And the custom of marrying off female children continues. An astonishing report on Afghan child marriages, with striking photographs by Stephanie Sinclair of mere children with their grey-bearded "husbands" appeared in the New York Times magazine in July. A slideshow of Stephanie Sinclair's photographs can be fouond HERE.

11-year old Ghulam Haider was officially betrothed to a 40 year old man, Faiz Mohammed. When Sinclair asked the girl how she felt, she said: "Nothing. I do not know this man. What am I supposed to feel?"

And for the older man in such a relationship there is absolutely no shame. In Western countries, such a man would be flung in prison, or subject to the conditions of Megan's Law, but in Islam how can there be shame when the founder of the "religion", Mohammed, consummated his marriage with a nine-year old girl (Aisha) when he was already in his 50s?

The IRIN report from this month describes the experiences of one girl in Afghanistan, who is now living in fear of her life. She had fled her "marital" home in Paktia, in southeastern Afghanistan in June this year. She now libes secretly with friends in Kabul. She is 15. She is called Bebi, but this is not her real name.

Bebi said: "I was engaged to an old man when I was only six months old, how can that be right? My husband treated me like an animal, not as a human, with daily beatings and torture and locking me indoors. I know he is pursuing me to kill me because he thinks I have disgraced him but God knows it is he who was guilty."

It is from the imposition of such draconian strictures on the lives of women and young girl children that the climate of honor killing finds its natural outcome, should a girl break the "rules" laid down befre her, rules in which she has no say whatsoever.

A spokesman for Afghanistan's interior ministry, Dad Mohammad Rasa, said that though honour crimes were prosecuted under the law, the custom was ingrained in Afghan society and hard to eradicate.

He said: "We have created a commission in the interior ministry to try and eradicate such cases but it will take a long time to overcome such crimes as it has become a part of many people's culture."

And honor killing is only the last step along a path that begins with treating a female child as a piece of property, a sexual asset that can be bartered, forced into submission, and ultimately annihilated if found to be "unsatisfactory".

AIHRC describes the case of another girl of a similar age to Bebi. Sixteen-year old Mujahedeh was murdered by her own father. Her case was recounted by Homa, who directs the Center for the Growth of the Talents of Afghan Women, and who knew Mujahedeh and described her as a happy girl, who liked to read and write. She was subjected to severe beatings at home, and her father killed her to redeem his family "honor".

Homa states: "She had enough. She escaped home and went to the Ministry of Women's Affairs. Then she spent some time in a ministry shelter. She liked to go to school and was busy studying. She was enjoying [better] conditions and she didn't want to return to her family, but her mother insisted they'd let her go to school - her mother said, 'Your father has forgiven your sin.' And she was finally forced to return to her relatives Later it was heard from a neighbor or someone else that her father had murdered her when she returned."

No-one has been prosecuted for Mujahedeh's murder. Annually, according to the UN, 5,000 women and girls are murdered in the name of "honour". The vast majority of these cases involve "Muslim honor".

AIHRC says that this year in Afghanistan, there have been 704 cases of violence against women, 89 cases of forced marriages, and 50 cases of women or girls burning "themselves" to death.

does anyone really read this massive posts, i know i dont!!

I posted this yesterday to try and make this Thread more to the point or points, but may have been missed by Fred.

"Fred a suggestion,

In your original post you have actually asked 6 questions and I think that Is why the Thread

constantly goes off topic to the headline.

Therefor It may be helpful to number each of your points so that when people respond they can refer to the Individual point you make. That In It's self may make the thread even more enjoyable to read.

Just a suggestion, what do you think?"

anyone off to the demo in manchester tomoro...got my 911 was an inside job placard done

got some friends in GMP. tell us what your going to wear and I'll ask them to say hello, hello,hello.
LOL

kivver, readers are leaders;-)

bawoani. your a sheep, cut and pasteing others ideas. Have an origonal thought , once in a while.
stand buy for long posted reply.
I'm with kivver, nobody reads your nonsense- polar to maestro, equally as inept.

waveydavey - 22 Sep 2006 14:04 - 984 of 984
bawoani. your a sheep, cut and pasteing others ideas. Have an origonal thought.


English not your first lanquage wonkydavey......pasting and original, dumbo...unable to read or spell.......

Previous: It looks as if the Islamist who shot a 70-year-old Catholic nun three times in the back at a children's hospital in Somalia was motivated by the Pope's recent criticism of Islam's susceptibility to violence. Aside from the obvious irony, it seems that no one is surprised that a Muslim would gun down an elderly woman who dedicated her life to helping poor Muslims, merely because she is a Christian. Indeed, there is a very sharp moral contrast between the two religions: One builds interfaith hospitals. The other plots terror attacks.

(Neither were we surprised to see that CAIR is refusing to condemn this murder. Instead, they're more concerned about spray paint found on a Canadian mosque... seriously.)

Previous: Should the Pope apologize for saying that Islam isn't always a Religion of Peace, or should Muslims apologize for having let their religion become what it is? Let's look at the numbers:

Since we've been keeping track, at least six priests, 14 pastors and thousands of Christians have been murdered in the name of Islam in just the last five years. This even includes 382 who were slain by Muslims in or on the grounds of a church in countries like Indonesia, Pakistan, Egypt, Iraq, Nigeria, the Philippines, Uzbekistan, Ethiopia, Turkey and Bangladesh.

By contrast, we can't find a single incident since 9/11 when a mosque leader or ordinary Muslim was murdered in the name of Catholicism.

So, please excuse us for not getting worked up over someone's hurt feelings. Islam will become a Religion of Peace when Muslims decide to make it so. Stop the killing. Stop the self-indulgent whining and excuse. Earn our respect by stepping up and taking responsibility.