Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Dil If you have been to Paris recently it is grid locked
allready. Marseille might be getting worried however.

only the peripherique!

Lol M , wait til the French farmers start blockading the ports because our farmers can produce everything cheaper than them and they'll have their subsidies cut to help fill the black hole caused by our departure.

Tailbacks will reach Rome.

I think I have cracked this one. They could turn Belgium into a lorry park and charge for parking, which would help fill the black hole in the EU budget when we leave. QED problem solved for the EU. I Should be a MEP

Dilbert,

If the UK were to walk away without a deal, I would've thought the EU would just create their own hard Irish border. I'm sure they'd be within their rights to do so, and there'd be naff all that the UK would be able to do about it.

I can see where they're coming from on this issue. You might be happy to eat imported American chlorinated chicken and hormone injected beef, but I wouldn't want to see it in my boucherie!

You will see TM working on the "Jersey Way" deal - The Channel Islands seem to have a very soft boarder with the EU.

That is the joker up her sleeve the corrupt tax haven that the UK and Royals love.

CT - if you research, i think you'll find that the channel islands are very open with hmrc ..... perhaps you think the cayman islands and panama are attached to them

cynic - LOL - they all work the same magic illusions but Jersey is the most corrupt place under UK control. It is nothing more than a bannana republic.

Read about years of corruption that has been covered up and continues to be:

http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.com/2018/09/donald-bailhache.html

Read about the Jersey politician that was jailed for breaking the data laws;

Some complaints are just starting to be investigated after years of the local police being in hoots with the Judical and Political Powers:

http://freespeechoffshore.nl/stuartsyvretblog/andrew-lewis-a-liar-and-a-crook/

http://freespeechoffshore.nl/stuartsyvretblog/ted-heath-child-abuse-the-rule-of-law-in-britain/

UK police brough in - have they in brought in to cover up or to uncover the truth?

https://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2018/10/12/uk-police-brought-in-over-planning-corruption-claims/

https://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2018/08/25/states-to-minimise-stress-of-the-planning-process/

https://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2018/08/24/home-owner-seeks-compensation/

Then go and read the old unreported judgements from the Royal Court in Jersey and see the number of cases that one judge in particular has been repeatedly accused of corrupt behaviour, one that refuses to recuse himself repeatedly.

www.jerseylaw.je/judgments/unreported/pages/search.aspx?k=

Then you talk about Panama and the Caymen Islands, well look at one company the BBC has reported on that has offices in both it seems plus of course the Channel Islands:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41878881

People fear speaking out for fear of being harrassed and being ruined one way or another - They call that "The Jersey Way"

https://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2017/08/24/comment-the-jersey-way-embodied-in-a-letter-from-the-bailiff-/

https://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2017/08/25/comment-why-the-jersey-way-as-a-term-must-be-dropped-and-the-bailiffs-role-split/

Until such time as the country becomes free from the powers of the Privy Council and the Royal Family - The Firm - there will be no justice, and thats is why TM will pull off The Jersey Way deal for Brexit.

Ooooh, I do love a conspiracy theory. Are you Maestro in disguise?

Hils , the EU has pledged not to introduce a hard border in Ireland and that's what the fuss is about.

They want us to introduce one between the mainland and N Ireland instead so they can keep their promise to the Irish.

There will be ructions between the Irish and EU if we leave with no deal and they try to introduce a hard border on the Irish side.

So ultimately it's the EUs problem as the UK will not put up a hard border and so far the EU have done bugger all to come up with a workable solution.

It's them that need a back stop not us as deal or no deal we aren't putting up a hard border and aren't the ones worried about it.

A pledge, Dilbert? I'm not so sure that's how the EU look upon it....

But hey ho, I guess that's kind of like pledging to pay a £40Bn divorce bill?

But that's the point hils. Let them put a border up if they want one instead of trying to get us to put one up between N Ireland and the rest of the U.K.

They can't and they no they can't , Irish would go nuts and get lots of support from other EU countries.

So instead of playing silly buggers with Ireland's future they should get on with finding a proper solution or its them who will end up with the problem.

And don't get me started on the 39 billion we don't owe them :-)

Also the border is 310 miles long with 275 crossing points. Even Trump would think twice about trying to make that a hard border.

I don't think the EU are concerned about the cross-border movement of people as such - it's the movement of goods imported into the UK from the one of the UK's new trading partners that they're concerned about. As I understand it, any hard border would involve the checking of goods vehicles only. Personally, I think a hard border for checking illegal imports is perfectly justifiable.

The Irish people might well go nuts, but I'm not so sure it would be justified, and I don't see why other EU countries would oppose it.

CT has many problems, perhaps emanating from the fact that he can't get a full uk passport, for reasons about which he won't come clean
clearly there must be a personal vendetta against him and gov't level

Another day in the dying days of a government.

Does it really matter hils if a few rogue lorises destined for N Ireland end up in Ireland ? Nothing stopping EU then checking stuff themselves they import from Ireland just like they want us to do with goods from N Ireland.

Only suggestion I've heard to avoid all this crap is the one made by the UK involving trusted suppliers scheme with electronic checks on other stuff.

Some farm stuff is already checked at the ports I think so don't worry about your chickens.

On another matter, the UK has always had (and still has?) a massive salmonella problem with eggs and chickens.

What are the negatives about chlorine washed chickens? Surely it is rinsed off prior to cooking?

Doesn't seem to have affected KFC, who thrive and sell to millions.

Exec,

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/is-chlorinated-chicken-bad-for-our-health-and-the-environment-a7860866.html


But you can relax Donald Duck has another exciting deal in his hand.

salmonella in eggs was kicked into touch many moons ago

the main bacteria carried by chickens is campylobacter, but this is killed off with proper cooking
however, there remains good reason why great care needs to be taken when handling raw chicken, especially in a domestic environment

rinsing a chicken prior to cooking (who on earth does that?) is quite likely to spread the bacteria all over the place - not a great idea!

that said, the standard of basic hygiene and precautions in the average home is dire to say the least

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chlorine is pretty nasty stuff which is why it is being phased out
inter alia, it "creates" dioxins which are environmentally persistent and harmful