Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Hils , the EU has pledged not to introduce a hard border in Ireland and that's what the fuss is about.

They want us to introduce one between the mainland and N Ireland instead so they can keep their promise to the Irish.

There will be ructions between the Irish and EU if we leave with no deal and they try to introduce a hard border on the Irish side.

So ultimately it's the EUs problem as the UK will not put up a hard border and so far the EU have done bugger all to come up with a workable solution.

It's them that need a back stop not us as deal or no deal we aren't putting up a hard border and aren't the ones worried about it.

A pledge, Dilbert? I'm not so sure that's how the EU look upon it....

But hey ho, I guess that's kind of like pledging to pay a £40Bn divorce bill?

But that's the point hils. Let them put a border up if they want one instead of trying to get us to put one up between N Ireland and the rest of the U.K.

They can't and they no they can't , Irish would go nuts and get lots of support from other EU countries.

So instead of playing silly buggers with Ireland's future they should get on with finding a proper solution or its them who will end up with the problem.

And don't get me started on the 39 billion we don't owe them :-)

Also the border is 310 miles long with 275 crossing points. Even Trump would think twice about trying to make that a hard border.

I don't think the EU are concerned about the cross-border movement of people as such - it's the movement of goods imported into the UK from the one of the UK's new trading partners that they're concerned about. As I understand it, any hard border would involve the checking of goods vehicles only. Personally, I think a hard border for checking illegal imports is perfectly justifiable.

The Irish people might well go nuts, but I'm not so sure it would be justified, and I don't see why other EU countries would oppose it.

CT has many problems, perhaps emanating from the fact that he can't get a full uk passport, for reasons about which he won't come clean
clearly there must be a personal vendetta against him and gov't level

Another day in the dying days of a government.

Does it really matter hils if a few rogue lorises destined for N Ireland end up in Ireland ? Nothing stopping EU then checking stuff themselves they import from Ireland just like they want us to do with goods from N Ireland.

Only suggestion I've heard to avoid all this crap is the one made by the UK involving trusted suppliers scheme with electronic checks on other stuff.

Some farm stuff is already checked at the ports I think so don't worry about your chickens.

On another matter, the UK has always had (and still has?) a massive salmonella problem with eggs and chickens.

What are the negatives about chlorine washed chickens? Surely it is rinsed off prior to cooking?

Doesn't seem to have affected KFC, who thrive and sell to millions.

Exec,

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/is-chlorinated-chicken-bad-for-our-health-and-the-environment-a7860866.html


But you can relax Donald Duck has another exciting deal in his hand.

salmonella in eggs was kicked into touch many moons ago

the main bacteria carried by chickens is campylobacter, but this is killed off with proper cooking
however, there remains good reason why great care needs to be taken when handling raw chicken, especially in a domestic environment

rinsing a chicken prior to cooking (who on earth does that?) is quite likely to spread the bacteria all over the place - not a great idea!

that said, the standard of basic hygiene and precautions in the average home is dire to say the least

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chlorine is pretty nasty stuff which is why it is being phased out
inter alia, it "creates" dioxins which are environmentally persistent and harmful

cynic - My British Passport is better than yours believe it or not but I along with around 1,000 others will get great pleasure when your passport states the same thing as mine, and you are treated in the same manner by the corrupt forces that you have just come to accept as normal - hiding in full view, so you cannot see it.

but what is now is now, and clearly your passport is a penny short of a shilling
fromage dur mon brave :-))

Haro! Haro! Haro! À l'aide, mon Prince, on me fait tort.

Ask yourself why cynic:

"Many maces in England are a symbol of delegated authority. If the sovereign turns up in person then the mace has to be placed on its side. That happens in Westminster.

"When the monarch comes to Jersey that doesn't happen. The mace remains upright."

"Prince Edward warned politicians against using the mace "to resolve disputes"

Oh dear, Dilbert. 12 more months of transition, with open borders and another £9bn into the EU's coffers.

Is that what you voted for?

:o)

Nope and it won't happen hils.

EU crapping themselves because their skint. Being reported that the cost to UK could be up to 18 million because we won't get any rebates.

To put it politely they can feck off :-)

Dil,

Tick tock.

Morning Fred , 23 weeks 1 day to go

23 weeks 1 day to go...yep roll on that informed referendum.

We who voted leave had one Stan , not our fault if you remoaners didn't understand what you voted for even after Cammy and Osbourne so kindly sent everyone information on what would happen if we left.

Most of Burnley understood Stan , should have asked a neighbour to explain it to you :-)