Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

cynic - My British Passport is better than yours believe it or not but I along with around 1,000 others will get great pleasure when your passport states the same thing as mine, and you are treated in the same manner by the corrupt forces that you have just come to accept as normal - hiding in full view, so you cannot see it.

but what is now is now, and clearly your passport is a penny short of a shilling
fromage dur mon brave :-))

Haro! Haro! Haro! À l'aide, mon Prince, on me fait tort.

Ask yourself why cynic:

"Many maces in England are a symbol of delegated authority. If the sovereign turns up in person then the mace has to be placed on its side. That happens in Westminster.

"When the monarch comes to Jersey that doesn't happen. The mace remains upright."

"Prince Edward warned politicians against using the mace "to resolve disputes"

Oh dear, Dilbert. 12 more months of transition, with open borders and another £9bn into the EU's coffers.

Is that what you voted for?

:o)

Nope and it won't happen hils.

EU crapping themselves because their skint. Being reported that the cost to UK could be up to 18 million because we won't get any rebates.

To put it politely they can feck off :-)

Dil,

Tick tock.

Morning Fred , 23 weeks 1 day to go

23 weeks 1 day to go...yep roll on that informed referendum.

We who voted leave had one Stan , not our fault if you remoaners didn't understand what you voted for even after Cammy and Osbourne so kindly sent everyone information on what would happen if we left.

Most of Burnley understood Stan , should have asked a neighbour to explain it to you :-)

Wait til Parliament don't get a meaningful vote , that'll be funny too.

And which part exactly of should we remain in the EU or leave did you struggle with ?

:-)

Dil, you make the same mistake as a number of other outers I.E. “no one” except the few people with some self interest like WRM for example were presented with anything like an “informed” referendum so having one after the negotiations have been concluded so we can all see what we are “actually” voting for is only reasonable...got it now?

I got it first time round and out we go and like it or not your coming too.

Don’t be silly you nor anyone else can have possibly “got it” as the final outcome has not been agreed yet.

in a general election, all sides tell you a bunch of half truths or even downright lies
nevertheless, "first past the post"gets to hold office for the next 5 years without recourse to a second ballot

this referendum, for all its flaws, is no different, except the result will hold for a lot longer than 5 years

eventually a fudge of some description will be hammered out as neither uk nor eu can afford a rancorous split

parliament is also likely to approve as even those who do not like the deal or even wanted something different will not dare risk the backlash, whether on the labour or conservative benches, or even those from peripheral parties

I assume Dil that you are now considering your position? -):

Not sitting at the table and but chained to it, looking at empty bowls and not able to bark or talk and having to accept the "rules" when they are changed, without real ability to appeal.

Watching the Financial Services move to Europe and other countries.

Your passports and filling forms in when doing deals or driving through Europe with your merchandise.

Paying increasing tariffs, etc..

Ie, barely second-class European citizens status.

Bloody, marvelous.

Checking the NEW RULE BOOK when you do the deals, etc..

Subjecting Little England, as an outsider, to the Laws, Rules, Regulations and the Courts of Europe but hardly recognised by the latter, without any real negotiating powers to make changes in any aberrant rules.

(Leaving any meeting, which we might attend by the backdoors like T. May did last night.)

Financial service consolidating themselves into Europe.

A good solid jump into a safe, secure, prosperous future.

Go back over the history of negotiations and agreements we have had with Europe since WW2.

See what the UK signed up to and now some are wishing to renegade on.

Why should Europe trust the British, why should the do deals with the Uk.

(It seems some hope Trumpian philosophy will win. But it is more likely that it will be ingrained in Europe's mind.)

Referendums come and go.

I think the Brexiters are wishing to act in a cowardly way by attempting to stop what seems, to me, to be the democratic right of the voters and public to review their previous actions.

(I think past good and bad decisions should always be open to review. Perhaps, if this was so there might be a few fewer wars and calamities.)

The last referendum based on "all things to all men", the voting often representing bigotry, racism, naivety, emotional satisfaction of kicking Cameron and Osborne and the "elite" in the teeth (And some like Dil, wanting to show Johnny foreigners who they really are.)

The referendum goal was undefined, the aim non-specified and provided an emotional release for the anarchistic tendencies.

The NEW referendum should be more specific, the consequences spelled out and the reasoning and "probable" economic and social and welfare outcomes of reneging on previous "deals" spelled out to the public.

The full details of any contracts to be signed by the government on behalf of the people of the UK should be open to public scrutiny, BEFORE its ACCEPTANCE and SIGNING.

-==-=

sounds like corbyn trying to back all horses, but then fred tends to be his mouth

The only outcome is in or out.

I have a view on how we should be getting out but as long as we do get out then job done as per the referendum.

Simples Stan.

Manuel.

You seem to be demonstrating once again one of your multitudinous phobias again.

Is it just a symptom of your age-related decay?