Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Here are ten reasons - besides the EU's bullying behaviour - that prove Brexit is right
DAVID BLAKE
17 OCTOBER 2018 • 11:34AM

Every day brings a new example of the EU’s failure to negotiate Brexit in good faith. bRefusing to agree how financial services should be conducted, despite the UK’s offer to allow EU firms based in the UK to continue trading as before.

Being not prepared to grant import certificates to UK organic farmers until after Brexit, when there be a nine-month waiting period. Threatening to stop our aircraft from taking off and blocking Eurostar trains from entering the Channel tunnel.

The EU is revealing itself to be little better than an aggressive bully when it does not get its way. Then there’s the gameplaying, with Michel Barnier promising us the best ever trade deal one day and withdrawing the offer the day after.

Now they want to tie us indefinitely into the Customs Union and Single Market to preserve the Good Friday agreement when the reality is that in the case of no deal, the EU would instruct the Irish Republic to impose a hard customs border with Northern Ireland.

The EU’s attitude to the Brexit negotiations more than justifies our decision to leave. But there are ten much bigger reasons.

1. The EU is fundamentally protectionist
Big business lobbies Brussels for more regulations to make it more difficult for small companies to enter the market and compete. The Customs Union, to which all EU member states belong, imposes more than 13,000 tariffs on imported goods. As a result, EU consumers are paying an average of 17 per cent above world prices on food.

The Single Market is a single protectionist zone where regulations are harmonised and all goods and services produced must satisfy these regulations whether or not they are sold in other member states.

Only 6 per cent of UK companies trade with the EU – accounting for around 12 per cent of Gross Domestic Product – yet 100 per cent of UK regulations are determined in Brussels, including for the 94 per cent of UK companies that do not trade with the EU.

The UK, in particular, has seen little economic benefit from the Single Market. UK goods exports to the 11 fellow founding members of the Single Market have grown over the years 1993-2015 at just 1 per cent pa.

Over the same period, UK goods exports to the 111 countries with which it trades under World Trade Organisation (WTO) rules have grown at 2.88 per cent pa, nearly three times faster.

This helps to explain why UK trade with the EU has fallen from 60 per cent to 44 per cent since the Single Market was introduced.

Services account for 80% of the UK economy but only 40% of the UK’s service exports go to the EU, amounting to just 5% of GDP. The result is a £28bn services surplus but a £95bn goods deficit with the EU, leaving an overall £67bn trade deficit in 2017.

Even strong supporters of the EU, like the Financial Times’ Wolfgang Münchau, concede that the Single Market is "not visible in the macro statistics…. the data are telling us a different story – that the Single Market is a giant economic non-event, for both the EU and the UK".

2. The EU's major waste
Brussels seriously misallocates resources. Take the EU Budget: 40 per cent goes to farmers, mostly to the richest farmers with the largest farms. Yet agriculture accounts for only 1 per cent of GDP across the EU. The Common Agricultural Policy encourages overproduction.

We used to have wine lakes and butter mountains. Now we have the surplus production being dumped in overseas markets. A current example is the dumping of tinned tomatoes in Africa, in particular Ghana, which leads to a significant distortion to the local market and a reduction in the income of Ghanaian tomato farmers.

3. The EU is fundamentally anti-democratic
A whole range of European leaders have made abundantly clear the EU's political agenda, such as Jean Monnet:

"Europe's nations should be guided towards the super-state without their people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation"

And Jean-Claude Juncker: "There can be no democratic choice against the European Treaties".

4. The meddling ECJ
The ‘purposive’ nature of EU law allows the European Court of Justice to interpret and reinterpret the wording of EU laws in line with the European Commission’s (often changing) intentions.

This contrasts with the clarity and precision of English laws. A further issue relates to the EU legal convention that everything is prohibited unless it is permitted, which requires constant appeals to the ECJ to grant permission. This contrasts with the English common law tradition where everything is permitted unless it is prohibited.

5. The folly of the euro
Introducing the euro across a group of countries whose economies were so disparate that the operation of a single monetary policy with a single Eurozone interest rate was inevitably going to lead to a pattern of booms and busts in the peripheral states when the interest rate is set to meet the needs of core economies, such as Germany.

In addition, the way in which exchange rates were fixed at the start of monetary union resulted in Germany joining at too low an exchange rate, while the peripheral countries joined at too high an exchange rate.

This inevitably led to the mainly northern members of the Eurozone, especially Germany, building up large trade surpluses and the southern members, such as Italy and Spain, building up corresponding deficits.

This, in turn, has encouraged capital flight from Italy and Spain to Germany by savers fearful of the solvency of their banks. The deficits building up in Target2, the Eurozone payments system, by Italy and Spain are so serious that it is very likely that the Eurozone will implode – and do so sooner rather than later. In the meantime, the southern member states are stuck in a permanent Japanese-style deflation trap.

6. Being shackled to the EU corpse
The EU's population is ageing, resulting from a combination of rising life expectancy and declining fertility.

Europe’s share of the world’s population will fall from 7 per cent today to 4 per cent by 2100 and 90 per cent of global economic growth over this period will occur outside the EU. Douglas Carswell, the former MP for Clacton, likened the UK’s membership of the EU to being "shackled to a corpse".

7. EU's numerous separatist movements
The EU has inadvertently encouraged regional separatist movements to develop in a number of member states in the mistaken belief that these regions can become ‘independent’ members of the EU ‘with a seat at the top table’. Current examples are Scotland, Catalonia and Corsica.

8. Increasing Euroscepticism
Rising Euroscepticism in the EU – dismissed as ‘populism’ by europhiles – demonstrated by the East/West split over the immigration and internal security crises. The Visegrád Group, comprising the Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland and Slovakia, is challenging the authority of Brussels by refusing to accept migrant quotas imposed by Brussels. Viktor Orban, Hungary’s prime minister, has said: ‘All the institutions of the EU have utterly failed. Neither the European Commission, nor the European Council, nor the European Parliament protected the Schengen Treaty’.

9. Russian rift
The EU has been blamed for the tension between Russia and the Ukraine as a result of its 2014 ‘Association Agreement’ with the Ukraine, which Russia interpreted as an encroachment on its sphere of influence. The Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko described the agreement as Ukraine's ‘first but most decisive step’ towards EU membership’.

10. Massive corruption
This is well illustrated by the fact that the EU’s accounts have not been approved for the last 20 years by the EU’s chief auditor in respect of around €100bn of expenditures. Governed as it is from a centre run by unelected bureaucrats and judges rather than politicians, it is readily apparent that the EU is incapable of reforming itself.

As an institution driven by process rather than outcomes, it is drowning in its own rules and this is stifling innovation. It should be clear from the above that remaining in the EU is the high-risk strategy – not leaving it.

Professor David Blake is at Cass Business School and a member of Economists for Free Trade

Dil,

You seem to be admitting a second referendum is possible.

I would think Soros is keeping his powder dry, while the more boastful opposition is fragmenting and implodes.

Manuel,

Do you consider the repetition of remarks, due to forgetfulness is a sign of age-related decay?

How old are you Fred?

Sometimes I feel very old and then sometimes very young.

I guess you get that young feeling when you take Viagra Fred, as they say it`s all in the mind.

Keep up the good work Dil. I see Captain “I wondered who would be the fist to spot that” Mainwaring and Private “we’re all doomed” Fraser, are still living in the past and pleading to not change anything as it’s frightening bless them.

You didn't mention Mrs Pike, Martini. It's a good job I don't get offended easily!

:o)

Hmm well Mrs Fox did come to mind but you don’t fit the image I have :)

I wonder if the EU negotiators are wishing to extend the Brexit "negotiation" period until the demise of T May and the tory party until the next UK G/E.

😊

Just trying to scrounge a few more Bob from us because they're skint Fred.

M , think Godfrey is more apt for Fred ,bit slow on the uptake.

Riggle as much as you like Dil...but that "informed'' referendum is on it's way old bean 😀

More chance of Cardiff winning the Ptemier League Stan.

Dil,

I would suppose the apt Dad's Army character for you would be the loud-mouthed Warden Hodges!

You seem to me to have very similar characteristics.

But tick tock.

That Fred is at least a great cartoon - though its the EU turning the wheel in truth as they try to save their bacon and getting millions more out of British mugs that want to stay in and play ball with the German masters.

it certainly makes a change for fred to post a cartoon that is actually amusing

It wouldn't be if you were TM.

Spot on CT , they're skint and will do anything to try and eek a few more billion out of us.

Can't see the point if an extension and can't see TM being able to sell it to her party.

Tick tock Fred , 23 weeks to go.

Lol just heard Singapore are signing off a deal with the EU today that's taken 8 YEARS to complete.

I suppose that wasn't the EU dragging its feet either.

EU is pathetic.