Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Hils , nearly 1 in 10 of the Welsh population will be at the CCS stadium this afternoon to watch Cardiff kick those happy clappers from Fulham off the park while less than 1 in 60 of the U.K. population will turn up to the sad b&stards march for sore losers in London.

Says it all when Cardiff City are 6 more times more popular than a second referendum :-)

As for Soros , think of the irony. If he hadn't forced us out of the ERM we would probably have ended up in the Euro which followed and gawd knows how bad it would have been trying to get out of that as well as the EU.

Cheers George , we should build a statue in his honour.

We won hils Allez Allez :-)

Omg did you see how scruffy those marchers looked ?
99 per cent were probably east European and the other 1 per cent Chelsea fans living abroad !

Give up hils u know u want is to leave just for the fun of it like me :-)

unfortunately, uk looks to be becoming ever more anarchic bringing in its wake the potential likelihood of a far left gov't, even if by default

Following a farcical, incompetent bunch of self-serving lying neo-cons and camp-followers who have failed to govern and making the country poorer.

I wonder what the Con artists leading the Brexiters are really frightened of.

Is their past catching up with them?

Old but relevant.

This is only the skin of the boil.

Brexit talks latest: EU to target UK tax haven territories as trade negotiations begin


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-talks-latest-eu-uk-tax-havens-trade-cayman-british-virgin-jersey-guernsey-anguilla-avoidance-a8156201.html

ever more priggish and unlikeable
he must be totally unbearable to live with, so if his wife and children can tolerate him they deserve haloes
that said, i think his children have now escaped, and who could blame them

tax havens also include luxembourg - herr juncker is of course a national and politician of same and subsequently president of eu commissio, though none of that is now ever mentioned - plus panama, monaco, switzerland even the netherlands can be very "helpful", especially via the dutch antilles

Do you use any of them?

I have a feeling it might get a bit tense this week with the saga of EU

“Do you use any of them?..use them? Alf’s probably posting from one of them as well.

if alf is me, then the answer is no and never have done and haven't even been on holiday in any of them either

Fred - They are Tax Haven for the very rich only - for example if you look at a UK Tax Havens like The Channel Islands, you will see the burden of tax falls on the young be they single or married - and due to the rich buying what should be low cost housing (flats in the main) for buy to let - the property prices are hiked upwards - so the rich and those that can borrow large sums of money get others to pay their mortages and buy them even more property, while preventing the majority of youg getting on the housing ladder.

This is not about Brexit - it is about the policies of all the European countries acting to make the rich gain even more at the expense of the young.

Most of the old guard just think they are entiltled to high pensions etc. so they can hoilday at youths expense.

There is a lack of disclosure about who owns what and who`s millions are salted away in trusts and companies in these UK Tax Havens. Much of it is dirty money imo but all UK Gov`s want it that way, as none of them has done anything about it - I bet there are loads of Labour Lords/Ladies/ MP`s and donors that have money hidden in these places.

CT - you don't carry a chip on your shoulders, but more a whole sack of potatoes

CT.

I agree with much of what you posted.

But think one the reasons for many of the tory right wingers supporting Brexit is because of the possibility of "central EU" present and future attempt and are making an effort in preparing to tackle the abuse and tax avoidance and/evasion.

I think if you look at where many of the neo-cons in the tory party have "property" and "undeclared" overseas investments.

Have a look at their Tax avoidance schemes.

(I wonder why Reese-Moggy is opening a fund outside the UK. What is he trying to avoid?)

Have a look at some tory ex-cabinet ministers property holdings.

(Not suggesting that some Labour or Lib/Dems might not be squeaky clean.

As you suggested in your post the "elite" is the trying to protect its own.

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“The world has enough for everyone's need, but not enough for everyone's greed.”

― Mahatma Gandhi



Not sure whom I am thinking of.

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Fred but what you need is policies not proposals - We AIM to do this - we aim to do that.

No what is needed, is we ARE going to do this, and this is how we are going to do it. All parties do the first AIM but fail to deliver because of corruption.

Without the road plan how these things are to be done they are nothing more than tripe.

Actions speak louder than words, and Labours actions are worse than that of all the other main parties historically, hence the mess they got the country time andtime again.

CT just when you seemed to be posting some truth this morning you then go and spoil it with that last sentence.

The usual scare mongerings by the “Con”servative Party/Government over time, one of which is to always blame someone else for their deliberate Ill concieved acts when in government..one example below.

A) It was all the Labour governments fault that the “World financial crash” of ‘08 was their fault when in fact it was not.

B) In fact if the Con artists had been in power it would have been a whole lot worst for the UK as the then Tory Party chairmen Grant Shapps was openly erging the Labour Government to relax the “Lite Touch” rules in the City, thankfully that nonessential piece of advice was rightly ignored.

Stan, the problem voters have is that the Labour Party then bears no resemblance to the current Labour Party.