Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

tax havens also include luxembourg - herr juncker is of course a national and politician of same and subsequently president of eu commissio, though none of that is now ever mentioned - plus panama, monaco, switzerland even the netherlands can be very "helpful", especially via the dutch antilles

Do you use any of them?

I have a feeling it might get a bit tense this week with the saga of EU

“Do you use any of them?..use them? Alf’s probably posting from one of them as well.

if alf is me, then the answer is no and never have done and haven't even been on holiday in any of them either

Fred - They are Tax Haven for the very rich only - for example if you look at a UK Tax Havens like The Channel Islands, you will see the burden of tax falls on the young be they single or married - and due to the rich buying what should be low cost housing (flats in the main) for buy to let - the property prices are hiked upwards - so the rich and those that can borrow large sums of money get others to pay their mortages and buy them even more property, while preventing the majority of youg getting on the housing ladder.

This is not about Brexit - it is about the policies of all the European countries acting to make the rich gain even more at the expense of the young.

Most of the old guard just think they are entiltled to high pensions etc. so they can hoilday at youths expense.

There is a lack of disclosure about who owns what and who`s millions are salted away in trusts and companies in these UK Tax Havens. Much of it is dirty money imo but all UK Gov`s want it that way, as none of them has done anything about it - I bet there are loads of Labour Lords/Ladies/ MP`s and donors that have money hidden in these places.

CT - you don't carry a chip on your shoulders, but more a whole sack of potatoes

CT.

I agree with much of what you posted.

But think one the reasons for many of the tory right wingers supporting Brexit is because of the possibility of "central EU" present and future attempt and are making an effort in preparing to tackle the abuse and tax avoidance and/evasion.

I think if you look at where many of the neo-cons in the tory party have "property" and "undeclared" overseas investments.

Have a look at their Tax avoidance schemes.

(I wonder why Reese-Moggy is opening a fund outside the UK. What is he trying to avoid?)

Have a look at some tory ex-cabinet ministers property holdings.

(Not suggesting that some Labour or Lib/Dems might not be squeaky clean.

As you suggested in your post the "elite" is the trying to protect its own.

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Not sure whom I am thinking of.

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Fred but what you need is policies not proposals - We AIM to do this - we aim to do that.

No what is needed, is we ARE going to do this, and this is how we are going to do it. All parties do the first AIM but fail to deliver because of corruption.

Without the road plan how these things are to be done they are nothing more than tripe.

Actions speak louder than words, and Labours actions are worse than that of all the other main parties historically, hence the mess they got the country time andtime again.

CT just when you seemed to be posting some truth this morning you then go and spoil it with that last sentence.

The usual scare mongerings by the “Con”servative Party/Government over time, one of which is to always blame someone else for their deliberate Ill concieved acts when in government..one example below.

A) It was all the Labour governments fault that the “World financial crash” of ‘08 was their fault when in fact it was not.

B) In fact if the Con artists had been in power it would have been a whole lot worst for the UK as the then Tory Party chairmen Grant Shapps was openly erging the Labour Government to relax the “Lite Touch” rules in the City, thankfully that nonessential piece of advice was rightly ignored.

Stan, the problem voters have is that the Labour Party then bears no resemblance to the current Labour Party.

251, Manuel and CT,

You can print this and hang it on your prayer walls.

Tax harmonisation should be fun; Ireland will be chipper.

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Omg did you see how scruffy those marchers looked ?
99 per cent were probably east European and the other 1 per cent Chelsea fans living abroad !

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Cheap English man in the paper shop
You mug old women in your bobble hat
Better go spot a place to rest
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Oh no not you as well Stan - another Labour Man. Without going back to far, I guess you ignore the likes of what Wilson caused in his time. Mind you I guess you have put that in your pipe and smoked it along with all the other problems various labour gov`s have caused.

As for Brown he can never live down the "The Bigot" when talking about one of his own labour voters that he then tried groveling too. Two faced like all the rest.

No fan of GBrown and his financial prowess... that was a momentary gaff and should be forgotten.
GB was the only "World Leader" to be positive as the 2007/8 Banking Crisis unfolded - most were just open-mouthed in disbelief. For that he should be commended, but as he was partly to blame for the UK being sucked into the crisis "little by little" he should have known it would end in tears.
I agree Labour Gov appear to fail rather often -probably "listening to all factions" is fundamentally flawed....
BUT our PM, Mrs May has tenacity, granted...most would have jumped-ship by now ( many have!!!). Yet she can't still believe Chequers is alive and well - It's a dead deal, right from the start.

George and CT please go back and read my "factual" post before replying rather then going on to some other point, thank you.

Stan is that the same "factual" sort of posts that Fred belives are "Factual" when the only true fact is that we are all able to post what we like (WITHIN REASON) about our elected partners or for that matter the Royal Family and the system that keeps them in place and the majority where they want them.

Would you like to see your leader give a straight answer - Yes or No when asked a straight question like will you vote to support TM if she keeps the UK in the customs union?

Tell you what, Jc could or would not answer Yes or No if asked if he would like his coffee black or white. He would think there must be a racist catch in the question, so would say something like " If I had to choose tea or coffee, I think I would have to say that more often than not I drink water"

CT do stop wasting time..go and go now.

i agree with little that CT writes, but he's spot on with the last para above