This board has been a little to quiet for while.

Is it time that Bush and Blair who is a close friend and confidant of Bush were tried for War Crimes?

Do you think the use by the American Administrations of renditions are War Crimes and committed with full knowledge of American and British leaders ie. Blair and Bush and they are ultimately responsible?

Also in the aftermath of the illegal invasion of Iraq are should their action seen to be as the provocation for the rising toll of British, American and Iraqi deaths.

As a result of the military intervention in Iraq do you think you are safer in Britain to-day?

Do you think one should expect government leaders and ministers who have been responsible for massive foreseeable casualties should visit the hospitals to meet the casualties they have produced directly or indirectly by their actions?

Pray why should you deny your sexuality, whatever it is ???

Because you may get it cut off if you don't!

8-)

September 21, 2006
Afghanistan: Muslim Honor Killings Increasing
A report from the United Nations Office For the Coordination of Human Rights (IRIN), and discussed by Radio Free Europe and AKI states that honour killing is increasing in Afghanistan, back to levels which happened at the time of the Taliban.

The Afghan Independent Human Rights Commission (AIHRC) has claimed that many of the honor killings happen when women or girls refuse to engage in arranged marriage or have "inappropriate" relationships. AIHRC says 185 girls have been killed by relatives so far in 2006, a large increase on last year's rate. As in other areas where honour killings happen, the true figure is probably much higher, especially in rural areas. Sometimes women are driven to suicide or forced out of their homes, where they can only survive by begging.

Dr Soraya Sobrang, head of AIHRC said: "Unfortunately, many women and girls continue to lose their lives due to this brutal crime. Sadly, it's totally ingrained in [Afghan] culture, particularly in rural areas of the country."

She said to Radio Free Europe: "I can tell you that they happen all over Afghanistan. Most of them get buried within the family, and no one is ever informed about them. But today, some cases are made public and are disseminated - so we are able to get some figures. They take place in faraway villages in rural areas."

But the problem of honour killings are, as we wrote on May 28 are part of a larger constellation of abuse and patriarchy, where girl children are not regarded as having the rights to control their own destiny. In such a climate, girls are promised away to others, often in compensation to others. In Pakistan this custom is called vani or swara. It also happens in Afghanistan.

According to a report by the US State Department from September last year on child marriages, "the UN special rapporteur on violence against women, between 60% and 80% of marriages in Afghanistan are forced marriages which give women no right to refuse. Many of those marriages, especially in the rural areas, involve girls below the age of 15. "

The US report added that the UN Population Fund has said that in some rural regions of Afghanistan, children as young as six years old are married off by their families.

In 2004 IRIN reported that child marriages were still happening at a high rate, according to the Afghanistan Ministry of Women's Affairs and also NGOs. Then, it was said that as many as 57% of all marriages in Afghanistan involve girls under sixteen, and some of these as young as nine.

According to Aghanistan's constitution, which had recently been introduced, the minimum age for marriage is 16 years for a girl and 18 for a male.

The consequences of forcing immature girls to have sex and to give birth, as well as preventing them from gaining education and later work, is physically traumatizing. The 2004 report said then that every hour in Afghanistan, two women died while giving birth - the highest maternal mortality rate in Asia.

Rachel Wareham of the NGO Medica Mondiale, said: "Maternal mortality is partly linked to a lack of trained medical professionals, but it is also very clearly linked to girls who are giving birth when they are not yet ready."

A year later, IRIN reported that the situation had not improved. Paul Greening of the United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) said: "Badakhshan [northeastern province] has the highest maternal mortality rate in the country and one of the main reason is under-age marriages - even as young as seven in some cases. This needs to be addressed."

A midwife at Malalai hospital in Kabul said: "It is a shame to say that even in the capital Kabul we treat pregnant mothers as young as 12 years of age."

A study from 2005 by AIHRC found that 500 girls had been given away or traded as part of local conflict resolution practices. 90% of these girls were aged under 14. This is identical in nature to the vani or swara practices of Pakistan where girls as young as one years old can be "traded" as part of "conflict resolution". Most of these Afghan girls became the "property" of their new families.

And the custom of marrying off female children continues. An astonishing report on Afghan child marriages, with striking photographs by Stephanie Sinclair of mere children with their grey-bearded "husbands" appeared in the New York Times magazine in July. A slideshow of Stephanie Sinclair's photographs can be fouond HERE.

11-year old Ghulam Haider was officially betrothed to a 40 year old man, Faiz Mohammed. When Sinclair asked the girl how she felt, she said: "Nothing. I do not know this man. What am I supposed to feel?"

And for the older man in such a relationship there is absolutely no shame. In Western countries, such a man would be flung in prison, or subject to the conditions of Megan's Law, but in Islam how can there be shame when the founder of the "religion", Mohammed, consummated his marriage with a nine-year old girl (Aisha) when he was already in his 50s?

The IRIN report from this month describes the experiences of one girl in Afghanistan, who is now living in fear of her life. She had fled her "marital" home in Paktia, in southeastern Afghanistan in June this year. She now libes secretly with friends in Kabul. She is 15. She is called Bebi, but this is not her real name.

Bebi said: "I was engaged to an old man when I was only six months old, how can that be right? My husband treated me like an animal, not as a human, with daily beatings and torture and locking me indoors. I know he is pursuing me to kill me because he thinks I have disgraced him but God knows it is he who was guilty."

It is from the imposition of such draconian strictures on the lives of women and young girl children that the climate of honor killing finds its natural outcome, should a girl break the "rules" laid down befre her, rules in which she has no say whatsoever.

A spokesman for Afghanistan's interior ministry, Dad Mohammad Rasa, said that though honour crimes were prosecuted under the law, the custom was ingrained in Afghan society and hard to eradicate.

He said: "We have created a commission in the interior ministry to try and eradicate such cases but it will take a long time to overcome such crimes as it has become a part of many people's culture."

And honor killing is only the last step along a path that begins with treating a female child as a piece of property, a sexual asset that can be bartered, forced into submission, and ultimately annihilated if found to be "unsatisfactory".

AIHRC describes the case of another girl of a similar age to Bebi. Sixteen-year old Mujahedeh was murdered by her own father. Her case was recounted by Homa, who directs the Center for the Growth of the Talents of Afghan Women, and who knew Mujahedeh and described her as a happy girl, who liked to read and write. She was subjected to severe beatings at home, and her father killed her to redeem his family "honor".

Homa states: "She had enough. She escaped home and went to the Ministry of Women's Affairs. Then she spent some time in a ministry shelter. She liked to go to school and was busy studying. She was enjoying [better] conditions and she didn't want to return to her family, but her mother insisted they'd let her go to school - her mother said, 'Your father has forgiven your sin.' And she was finally forced to return to her relatives Later it was heard from a neighbor or someone else that her father had murdered her when she returned."

No-one has been prosecuted for Mujahedeh's murder. Annually, according to the UN, 5,000 women and girls are murdered in the name of "honour". The vast majority of these cases involve "Muslim honor".

AIHRC says that this year in Afghanistan, there have been 704 cases of violence against women, 89 cases of forced marriages, and 50 cases of women or girls burning "themselves" to death.

does anyone really read this massive posts, i know i dont!!

I posted this yesterday to try and make this Thread more to the point or points, but may have been missed by Fred.

"Fred a suggestion,

In your original post you have actually asked 6 questions and I think that Is why the Thread

constantly goes off topic to the headline.

Therefor It may be helpful to number each of your points so that when people respond they can refer to the Individual point you make. That In It's self may make the thread even more enjoyable to read.

Just a suggestion, what do you think?"

anyone off to the demo in manchester tomoro...got my 911 was an inside job placard done

got some friends in GMP. tell us what your going to wear and I'll ask them to say hello, hello,hello.
LOL

kivver, readers are leaders;-)

bawoani. your a sheep, cut and pasteing others ideas. Have an origonal thought , once in a while.
stand buy for long posted reply.
I'm with kivver, nobody reads your nonsense- polar to maestro, equally as inept.

waveydavey - 22 Sep 2006 14:04 - 984 of 984
bawoani. your a sheep, cut and pasteing others ideas. Have an origonal thought.


English not your first lanquage wonkydavey......pasting and original, dumbo...unable to read or spell.......

Previous: It looks as if the Islamist who shot a 70-year-old Catholic nun three times in the back at a children's hospital in Somalia was motivated by the Pope's recent criticism of Islam's susceptibility to violence. Aside from the obvious irony, it seems that no one is surprised that a Muslim would gun down an elderly woman who dedicated her life to helping poor Muslims, merely because she is a Christian. Indeed, there is a very sharp moral contrast between the two religions: One builds interfaith hospitals. The other plots terror attacks.

(Neither were we surprised to see that CAIR is refusing to condemn this murder. Instead, they're more concerned about spray paint found on a Canadian mosque... seriously.)

Previous: Should the Pope apologize for saying that Islam isn't always a Religion of Peace, or should Muslims apologize for having let their religion become what it is? Let's look at the numbers:

Since we've been keeping track, at least six priests, 14 pastors and thousands of Christians have been murdered in the name of Islam in just the last five years. This even includes 382 who were slain by Muslims in or on the grounds of a church in countries like Indonesia, Pakistan, Egypt, Iraq, Nigeria, the Philippines, Uzbekistan, Ethiopia, Turkey and Bangladesh.

By contrast, we can't find a single incident since 9/11 when a mosque leader or ordinary Muslim was murdered in the name of Catholicism.

So, please excuse us for not getting worked up over someone's hurt feelings. Islam will become a Religion of Peace when Muslims decide to make it so. Stop the killing. Stop the self-indulgent whining and excuse. Earn our respect by stepping up and taking responsibility.

bawoani- English not my first language??
LOL
KUT AN PASTE AWAYE
;-0
From your posts I can only assume you are a muslim trying to fan the flames.

very sad

Bawoani ........a muslim!!!!!
That would explain a lot.
LOL

I also believe bawoani to be a disgruntled asylum seeker.
This is of course only an hypothesis based on the lack of wit or intelligence surrounding his posts and their obviously inflammatory nature.

By Kamal Nawash

This September 11 marks the third unforgettable anniversary of the worst mass murder in American history.

After September 11, many in the Muslim world chose denial and hallucination rather than face up to the sad fact that Muslims perpetrated the 9-11 terrorist acts and that we have an enormous problem with extremism and support for terrorism. Many Muslims, including religious leaders, and ?intellectuals? blamed 9-11 on a Jewish conspiracy and went as far as fabricating a tale that 4000 Jews did not show up for work in the World Trade Center on 9-11. Yet others blamed 9-11 on an American right wing conspiracy or the U.S. Government which allegedly wanted an excuse to invade Iraq and ?steal? Iraqi oil.

After numerous admissions of guilt by Bin Laden and numerous corroborating admissions by captured top level Al-Qaida operatives, we wonder, does the Muslim leadership have the dignity and courage to apologize for 9-11? If not 9-11, will we apologize for the murder of school children in Russia? If not Russia, will we apologize for the train bombings in Madrid, Spain? If not Spain, will we apologize for suicide bombings in buses, restaurants and other public places? If not suicide bombings, will we apologize for the barbaric beheadings of human beings? If not beheadings, will we apologize for the rape and murder of thousands of innocent people in Darfour? If not Darfour, will we apologize for the blowing up of two Russian planes by Muslim women? What will we apologize for? What will it take for Muslims to realize that those who commit mass murder in the name of Islam are not just a few fringe elements? What will it take for Muslims to realize that we are facing a crisis that is more deadly than the Aids epidemic? What will it take for Muslims to realize that there is a large evil movement that is turning what was a peaceful religion into a cult?

Will Muslims wake up before it is too late? Or will we continue blaming the Jews and an imaginary Jewish conspiracy? The blaming of all Muslim problems on Jews is a cancer that is destroying Muslim society from within and it must stop.

Muslims must look inward and put a stop to many of our religious leaders who spend most of their sermons teaching hatred, intolerance and violent jihad. We should not be afraid to admit that as Muslims we have a problem with violent extremism. We should not be afraid to admit that so many of our religious leaders belong behind bars and not behind a pulpit. Only moderate Muslims can challenge and defeat extremist Muslims. We can no longer afford to be silent. If we remain silent to the extremism within our community then we should not expect anyone to listen to us when we complain of stereotyping and discrimination by non-Muslims; we should not be surprised when the world treats all of us as terrorists; we should not be surprised when we are profiled at airports. Simply put, not only do Muslims need to join the war against terror, we need to take the lead in this war.

As to apologizing, we will no longer wait for our religious leaders and ?intellectuals? to do the right thing. Instead, we will start by apologizing for 9-11. We are so sorry that 3000 people were murdered in our name. We will never forget the sight of people jumping from two of the highest buildings in the world hoping against hope that if they moved their arms fast enough that they may fly and survive a certain death from burning. We are sorry for blaming 9-11 on a Jewish or right wing conspiracy. We are so sorry for the murder of more than three hundred school children and adults in Russia. We are so sorry for the murder of train passengers in Spain. We are so sorry for all the victims of suicide bombings. We are so sorry for the beheadings, abductions, rapes, violent Jihad and all the atrocities committed by Muslims around the world. We are so sorry for a religious education that raised killers rather than train people to do good in the world. We are sorry that we did not take the time to teach our children tolerance and respect for other people. We are so sorry for not rising up against the dictators who have ruled the Muslim world for decades. We are so sorry for allowing corruption to spread so fast and so deep in the Muslim world that many of our youth lost hope. We are so sorry for allowing our religious leaders to relegate women to the status of forth class citizens at best and sub-humans at worse.

We are so sorry.

bawoani - an asylum seeking jihadist!!!!!!
LOL

lol :-))))))))))))))))))))

http://www.shoutwire.com/viewstory/30160/Ten_Days_With_George


worth a visit, just to see what a truly scary loon he is. very well argued editorial.
( the world politics clip is painfully funny).

Saturday, September 23, 2006

UK - Muslim terrorism has nothing to do with foreign policy
and everything to do with who we are. Don't believe me? Listen to what Abu Izzadeen, the Muslim protester who heckled John Reid, has to say.

First he plays the Muslim victim card and blames Muslim terrorism on UK and US foreign policy.


Abu Izzadeen: My address to Mr Reid was primarily to deal with his behaviour in the past year and his previous position as Defence minister (sic).

He has been killing Muslims abroad, in Iraq and Afghanistan, and as Home Secretary he has been presiding over the arrest of many Muslims and in that light how dare he come to address the Muslims

It was outrageous to see someone like John Reid who has been presiding over so many attacks on the Muslim community come and address us as if he is our friend. He is the enemy towards Islam and Muslims


Izzadeen goes right past the fact that Muslims have and are murdering far more Muslims around the world than us infidels ever have.

Now, here's the proof in Izzadeen's own words that Muslim terrorism has nothing to do with foreign policy.


AI: You have misunderstood the reality. As a Muslim I believe Allahcreated whole universe; he created the UK. It doesnt belong to you, it doesnt belong to the Queen, it doesnt belong to the Anglo-SaxonsAllah has put us on the planet earth to live wherever we want and implement the Sharia rules.

JH: You want Sharia law in this country? .If you want to change the way this country functions, why can you not do it in a democratic way?

AI: Democracy means sovereignty for man; and as a Muslim, we believe sovereignty for the Sharia, therefore I would never take part in democratic principles. Rather I will work to change society in accordance with Islamic methodology. [jihad]

JH: You will not observe the democratic process?

AI: We observe Islamic rules wherever we are.

JH: The Islamic process but not the democratic process?

AI: Thats right, yes.


Did you catch this? "live wherever we want and implement the Sharia rules." "wherever we want"

You see? If there were no Afghanistan, Iraq or Palestinian problem, Muslims would create some greviance to fool some into believing they are victims. While all the time working to turn the world into an Islamic one. Izzadeen just told you that.

This is why Izzadeen should be allowed on TV and radio more often. For once the BBC presenter did his job and asked the right questions. Whenever one of these Muslim terrorists is interviewed they should as one question first - do you want Sharia law in Britain? 40% of British Muslims say yes.

Remember this next time some Muslim starts moaning about Afghanistan or Iraq or some other grievance.

Please don't put a fatwah out on me Bawaoni.
BUT:
US report says Iraq fuels terror

The violence in Iraq shows little sign of abating
The New York Times newspaper has published what it says are the findings of a classified US intelligence paper on the effects of the Iraq war.
The document reportedly blames the conflict for increasing the threat of terrorism and helping fuel Islamic radicalism worldwide.

Such a conclusion is at odds with the White House's persistent claim that going to war has made the world safer.

The paper has not seen the report, but spoke to people familiar with it.

Comprehensive study

The BBC's defence correspondent Rob Watson says this is not the first time the US intelligence community has said that the war in Iraq has made the problem of Islamist extremism worse.

Indeed it had warned that might happen even before the US-led invasion.


Many have been inspired by al-Qaeda chief Osama Bin Laden
But, our correspondent says, this latest finding, known as a National Intelligence Estimate, is the most comprehensive report yet, based on the considered analysis of all 16 of America's intelligence agencies.

According to the New York Times, which has spoken to officials who have either read it, or been involved in drafting it, the report says the invasion and occupation of Iraq has spawned a new generation of Islamic radicalism that has spread across the globe.

It also warns that Islamic militants who have fought in Iraq could foment radicalism and violence when they return to their home countries, much as returning Jihadis did after the war against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan in the 1980s.

Al-Qaeda threat

It reportedly concludes that, while al-Qaeda may have been weakened since the 11 September 2001 attacks, the radical Islamic movement worldwide has strengthened with the formation of new groups and cells who are inspired by Osama Bin Laden, but not under his direct control.

The report will make uncomfortable reading at the White House, our correspondent says. In a series of recent speeches, President George W Bush has been portraying the war in Iraq as the central front in the war on terrorism.

This report implies while that may be true, that it is a front of America's own making.

In the past, Mr Bush has dismissed such reasoning by arguing that Islamic militants had hated the US long before it invaded Iraq, or even Afghanistan for that matter.

Sunday, 24 September 2006, 10:17 GMT 11:17 UK

So next time a failed asylum seeking , jihaadist , muck stirer by the name of BAwoani tells you something- please feel free to use your grey matter and make your own mind up.

Bush didn't know the difference until recently between a Sunni and a Shi'ite.

However, it is true that Islamic militants hated the US before the invasion of Iraq. Bin laden was radicalised in 82 with the US backing Isreal in the bombing of Beirut; the direct cause of 9/11 was the repressive campaign led by Sharon in 2000 which made recruitment easier for radicals as the death toll mounted.

The 2005 CIA report just released by the Senate Committee on Intelligence clearly debunks the neocon myth that Saddam was linked to 9/11.