Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

George and CT please go back and read my "factual" post before replying rather then going on to some other point, thank you.

Stan is that the same "factual" sort of posts that Fred belives are "Factual" when the only true fact is that we are all able to post what we like (WITHIN REASON) about our elected partners or for that matter the Royal Family and the system that keeps them in place and the majority where they want them.

Would you like to see your leader give a straight answer - Yes or No when asked a straight question like will you vote to support TM if she keeps the UK in the customs union?

Tell you what, Jc could or would not answer Yes or No if asked if he would like his coffee black or white. He would think there must be a racist catch in the question, so would say something like " If I had to choose tea or coffee, I think I would have to say that more often than not I drink water"

CT do stop wasting time..go and go now.

i agree with little that CT writes, but he's spot on with the last para above

Ha ha and what do you know Alf where politics are concerned..not a lot from past experience on here.

So CT just go back and read slowly, digest and then come back with something constructive and relevant on the post.

KidA :-)

is that so stan .... the presumptuousness of a callow youth

And another thing you know little about Alf...Youth😀

cheeky boy ..... i/we have brought up 3 children who now range between 32 and 37, and there are also now 4 small grandchildren (too young to be relevant) :-)

Run out of steam after three did you cynic or was there no lead left in the pencil? :-)

vasectomy! ..... easy choice and painless and quick

Rather you than me, was that before or after the children were born?

hahaha!
what is it about men that they are terrified of a vasectomy, which is a 5 minute job and can actually be done under local anaesthetic, but would happily allow the infliction of major surgery of a hysterectomy on their wives?

Keeping everything up and running allows one to spread their investments world wide, a sprog here a sprog there cynic. Sow bountifully and reap bountifull rewards.

Is that not why so many want to stay in the EEC?

i'll avoid being what would be interpreted as being racist :-)

a pc answer might be that we felt 3 children were plenty and we could afford to pay for their education and other needs rather than leaching from the welfare system

Hopefully you pay your fair share and more into the system cynic, so to support the folks you call leaches, because they might be born to parents that have for example been ravaged by the system and the bankers that want their weight in blood.

I know a fish and chip shop owner that calls his customers peasants but as I remind him, its those peasants that have made him reasonably wealthy. Do not most of the top 5% live off the labours of the other 95%? So why begrudge a few living like the top 5% without having to do a real days work?

of course i do, and nor do i have any offshore accounts or similar

however, there is such a thing as "irresponsible parenthood" ....... that is to say, there is surely a responsibility not to bring more children into the world than you can afford to keep

and yes, i do resent paying for those who just work the system as opposed to being hit by circumstance

Oh you are still with us then CT, well in that case just answer post 9756 properly before any other will you?

When you say aford to keep cynic - do you mean to food/clothes etc or to provide education?

Eductaion can be a sore subject to some, how many well educated folks are sleeping rough these days - has their education done them any good - does it guarantee a better life?

On the other hand you get a smart young upstart that has a poor education but is educated in the ways of a gambler that rakes in a fortune, and attracts partners like flys, living life as it comes - seeing the world and loving life.

I left school on my 15th Birthday - never worked for anyone but worked so I could buy Freedom - Freedom to travel where (where other counties will allow me that is) and when I want. I cannot buy good health but to be able to buy freedom and it is a wonderful feeling.

The sooner the UK is free of the EEC the better for those that seek the right to choose their own path.

Oh give over CT, you sound like Ken Livingstone. What is a "fair share" and a real days work? Define them. Living off the labours of the 95% ... struth. Nothing to do with investment, risk taking, entrepreneurship, management, scientific, artistic, sporting or technical skills etc then.
The top 1%, those earning more than £165k before tax, already contribute 27% of all income tax, up from 11% in the seventies, while the top 10%, pay almost 60% of all income tax collected. Do you want them to pay more and to drive them away?
Mike Ashley is worth more than 3 billion, they say. Is he living off his workers or are they living off him? Maybe they both benefit, his wealth largely being dependent upon keeping the business attractive and profitable. If you invest in his companies do you complain when the share price goes up and he is worth more on paper? The same can be said of Dyson and many other companies that started off private and went public. Without such people where would we be?