Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Dil,

P 9797

That seems fairly obvious.

Yesterday's news Fred

labour want to be out (to satisfy those voters) but to retain single market access AND also freedom to make deals elsewhere in the world
oh and i forgot ..... they may even allow a 2nd referendum

good strong and decisive leadership by jc, with every chance labour could get that sort of deal at the drop of a hat - easy peasy!
and of course the reality would be blamed on the previous administration

Manuel.

Post 9801,

"that sort of deal at the drop of a hat - easy peasy!
and of course the reality would be blamed on the previous administration"



As promised by leading Brexiters.

The chaos was initiated and coordinated by tory idiots starting with Cameron and Osborne and sustain by T.May and cohorts whose negotiating skills consist of blaming those "Nasty Foreigners" for the problems she is creating.

Why should JC jump to stupid conclusions, which seems to be your forte, when he hasn't seen the books of the trades and fairy tales being written in a book which is lost somewhere between No 10, Tory Central Office and Brussels.

I think JC is wise to let the con artists stew in their own juice.

The responsibility for the impending economic mess belongs to the tory.

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Do you think it will be easier to develop or negotiate deals with the WTO than with the EU.

Even though the EU has its instabilities and problems, to me they appear less than the World as a whole.

The UK won't be self-governing in respect of international law by leaving the EU, have less say in drawing the rules etc. up.

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like all politicians, JC is full of shit, promising the world to anyone and everyone in the hope that some might actually believe what he says
hence he stands up in parliament and tells the party opposite that of course if labour were in power, he would see that everything was resolved pdq (easily apparently) and that everyone would be happy and so on and so on


how good a job has TM done?
hard to say, but she has certainly had a near impossible task, not least because, of those who bothered to vote, 52% of the country voted to leave while 48% wanted to remain

negotiating the divorce was never going to be straightforward, and as far as i can see, TM looks to have done at least a reasonable job

incessant grizzling and whining that the referendum should have gone the other way, is just a waste of breath ...... it didn't, so get used to it, though telling you to do so 2 years after the event, is clearly a waste of time, just as is telling you that you have an obligation to vote

Alf...unnecessary repetition post alert !

I thought you were inferring JC wasn't making decisions.

You appear to me to be more confused than T. May.


PS.

Wait until Soros gets going.

8-)

where did i say JC made decisions?

and yes stan, i concur it is a bit repetitive, but i rarely bother to respond to fred's droning

He better hurry up Fred , last week of BST in the EU.

155 days to go , tick tock.

More like “155 days to go, tick toch” until the first informed referendum Dil.

Did you mean "kick it into touch" Stan. The battle cry in the Fortress.
The first referendum was informed but the booklet that the government sent out on the subject had too many words of more than one syllable for the average remainiac to understand.

from today's FT, and exactly so .......

I have no doubt that there would be majority support for “taking back control” from the EU without giving anything up. The public would also support Labour’s formulation of keeping “the exact same benefits” of EU membership while also leaving. Neither of those is remotely negotiable.

They wouldn't get one of their six tests approved by the EU.

Corby and co are living in cloud cuckoo land.

Cynic - I would not describe "the exact same benefits" as being of benefit except to the likes of France - Germany - Italy - Greece - Ireland etc. They are the ones that benefit from the UK.

The country has choosen to jump into cold water - just jump - you will get used to it and soon come to the conclusion that it was not cold after all.

i have just lifted this from FT though i completely agree with its sentiment

Perhaps, Corbyn would prefer to remain in the EU than many would suspect.

It appears to many others that the con artists are stabbing themselves in their own backs.

Long may it continue.

8-)

Manuel,

Your crowing at the result of the In/Out referendum result was similar to somebody living in a fool's paradise.

A quite suitable place for you.

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if that were so, why did he not put his and the party's weight fully behind the remain campaign instead of being a limp lettuce?