Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Typical of you cynic - wanting a second go because you do not like the result of the first referendum - were you that bamboozled by the colouring that all political parties gloss over most matters? If so I suggest you along with all your friends that now want a second go must be considered nothing more than a bunch of buffoons that are just clowning around in a ridiculous pretence of knowledge.

Manuel,

I am observant of my physical and mental decline with a degree of satirical or even gallows humour.

It worries me naught.

Others are surprised how well I am and that I don't stop when I pass a funeral to see who is in the box.

-=-==-==

“First the doctor told me the good news: I was going to have a disease named after me.”
― Steve Martin

CT - what are you talking about????? ...... i do not like the concept of a 2nd referendum at all, but i have no problem with others who have a different view

" cynic [Send an email to cynic] [View cynic's profile] - 30 Oct 2018 14:59 - 9873 of 9878
i happen not to agree with the push for a 2nd referendum,"

I stand corrected - I must have missed "Not agree"

Maybe I need help. :-)

silly bugger :-)

True.:-))

The leader grounded like a fish.

Looking for a Tit-bit like Manuel?

That's the spirit Fred , keep smiling only 149 days to go.

Dil,

You are not Peter Pan, perhaps the clock is ticking for you!

Fred , you've got one life.

Live it and enjoy it the best you can is what I've always told my kids.

PS Fred , known you a long time and still struggling to think of anytime I've tried to get you banned , posts removed , threads deleted etc etc.

I hate cry babies though , place going downhill fast since Mike left :-)

Now that you have brought it up, Dil, it may be a good idea to ban Fred :-) Or not allow Fred, C and Stan to be in the same chat room unless supervised by Hilary.

how dare you lump me together with those two :-)

The New Message.

I'm not so sure that Fred needs supervising, iturama. It seems to me that he does a very good job of winding you lot up without any supervision.

On the other hand, there are two or three inwardly-thinking geriatrics on this thread who definitely shouldn't be let out alone.

:o)

CNG.

What I need is gentle nursing and caring for.

And sometimes I love black cherries.

8-)

Come Tuesday, it seems we might get some kind of a decision....

The former Australian Foreign Minister, Alexander Downer, sums it up like this:

"If the UK leaves the EU without an agreement, the result will be a hard border with Ireland. People have got to remember that.

The EU actually doesn’t have much negotiating clout on this issue and yet they have somehow scared people in the UK into believing it’s the UK's responsibility to fix this problem. But it isn't. On the contrary, it is the EU’s responsibility to fix this problem.

The UK has said they will not establish a hard border along the Irish border, only the EU has said it will do that. Well, that is a matter for Ireland and the EU. It would be a huge shame if they decided to do it, and personally, I think it would be quite wrong for them to do it, but if that’s what they want to do. It’s a free world in the EU, they can do what they like.

Theresa May needs to make this clear. What country is going to lose the most from a failed negotiation? It’s Ireland, not the UK, it’s Ireland."

From the Sunday Times..

Senior sources say the prime minister has secured private concessions from Brussels that will allow her to keep the whole of Britain in a customs union, avoiding a hard border in Northern Ireland. They expect this to placate remainer Tories and win over some Labour MPs.

And in a move that will appeal to Eurosceptics, May is also said to be on course to secure a political deal on a “future economic partnership” (FEP) with the European Union that will allow Britain to keep open the prospect of a free trade deal resembling that enjoyed by Canada.

However, Nigel Farage says:

The “secret” deal would mean there would be no need for Northern Ireland to be treated differently to the rest of the UK, according to the Sunday Times.

Speaking on LBC Radio, Nigel Farage said May’s deal “doesn’t give us any of the possible benefits of Brexit.”

He explained: “She’s already said she wants the transition period to go on a further year until the end of 2021. We are due a general election which has to happen in the spring of 2022, and at the time of next general election we are going to be in a position where we’ve not taken back control of our borders, taken control of our fisheries, we’re not able to make our own trade deals, and financially it won’t be a £39 billion we give the EU it will be something closer to £60 billion.”

He warned that Theresa May’s deal may only help Jeremy Corbyn’s chances to gain the keys to 10 Downing Street at the next election.

Farage previously said he could deliver a “simple” Brexit plan - but wasn’t prepared to reveal the details because Number 10 wouldn’t talk to him.

Fellow Brexiteer and former Conservative politician David Mellor said May's plan sounds like “BINO” which stands for “Brexit in Name Only” and such move would ultimately mean the UK would not leave the European Union on 31 March 2019.

“The whole idea for Brexit was that it would give us the freedom of the seas... I think staying in a customs union smacks of BINO.”

Farage also used his platform to criticise Tony Blair’s latest remarks in the Observer pushing for a People’s Vote.

The former Labour prime minister wrote: “I promise them as someone who used to win elections: no one will lose their seat on this basis. But vote through a botched negotiation that you don’t believe in and the backlash will last a political lifetime.”

Farage responded to his comments by saying a People’s Vote would lead to a “backlash” from the people but “it won’t be on the side you think.”

He said: “Mr Blair I don’t think you ave any idea of what the political backlash will